A new era

[grindhouse]

After thinking about all the moves made over this off season I hope this is the beginning of a new era in Toronto. A era in which we build our team around smart basketball players.

Raw talent is useless without basketball iq to back it, just look at Bruno, what a waste. Going into the third year and he doesn't have a chance in hell at getting playing time for the raptors.


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[white men can't jump]

After thinking about all the moves made over this off season I hope this is the beginning of a new era in Toronto. A era in which we build our team around smart basketball players.

Raw talent is useless without basketball iq to back it, just look at Bruno, what a waste. Going into the third year and he doesn't have a chance in hell at getting playing time for the raptors.

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Bruno's going into his 2nd year, and it was a given he basically wouldn't play at all for at least a year or two. It's not like there were scores of good players drafted after him who've already proven their worth.

It's the coach's job to help raise the IQ of players on the team. Coach can't do much about making sure guys' skills improve. I mean, he can help lay out what people need to get better at, but it's up to the players to get better. However IQ is something you can always improve. The trend so far in Toronto has been every player that comes through here ends up playing a dumber game than wherever they were before. So we'll see what happens this year.

*The exception is Lowry, who's playing pretty much the same game he always has. But he's the kind of guy who'll play his game, and that's part of the reason he's always clashed with coaches. Casey is just letting him and not getting in the way. Probably the best thing Casey has done as a coach.

[Bandit]

After thinking about all the moves made over this off season I hope this is the beginning of a new era in Toronto. A era in which we build our team around smart basketball players.

Raw talent is useless without basketball iq to back it, just look at Bruno, what a waste. Going into the third year and he doesn't have a chance in hell at getting playing time for the raptors.


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When you start an argument with wrong information kind of hard to take anything else you say seriously.

Bruno's second year, with a team for him to play all he wants on.

I agree I hope BBall IQ is a trend, but so that our young guys can develop their IQ. I hope we keep guys like Scola around so that every chance Bruno, Delon, Norman, Bebe, Bennett has they can learn from him.

[planetmars]

I'm not sure its a new era with regards to IQ. Biyombo and AB both seem to have low IQ's. I see the potential in Wright though.

Scola is probably 'smarter' than Amir so that's good. Carroll is definitely 'smarter' than Ross so that's good. But everywhere else it's probably about the same (I don't think Joseph is much 'smarter' than either Lou or GV) or potentially worse (Fields/Hayes were both intelligent players).

[S.R.]

Somebody's trolling for Bruno pushback.

#FreeBrazil
#905MVP
#BrunoTime

[SkywalkerAC]

Bruno's going to make a lot of people look silly in the 4th year of his deal. Being around and being mentored by pros in your youth is one of the primary ways you improve your intelligence to professional level. Kids coming out of knowledge are dumb in many ways relative to the adults in their profession, but you start training and working and next thing you know you're 30 and looking down on the idiots being hired.

Bruno's bball IQ was always going to improve because he seems like a genuinely honest, hard-working guy - he looks like a sponge moreso than a stubborn rock. It's going to improve quickly because he's in the best league in the world with a team that has invested in and cares about him.

Another point is that as a 3&D wing, he doesn't need to be a genius. A lot of the best defenders haven't been what you'd call brainiacs. I don't know if anyone talked to Tony Allen as a rookie, and though "Oh yeah, this guy's wicked smart". You develop a defensive intelligence, how to move to the right place without thinking, over time, and we've got no evidence to suggest Bruno is lacking a workable foundation for a 19-year old.

Finally, this looks like a pretty clear Bruno-topic trolling attempt. I'd love to talk about a new era of acumen, ball-movement, winning, etc. But throw our 19-year old freak-prospect under the bus just as he gears up for his 2nd training camp?

Wack.

[Raptorsnz]

I'm not sure its a new era with regards to IQ. Biyombo and AB both seem to have low IQ's. I see the potential in Wright though.

Scola is probably 'smarter' than Amir so that's good. Carroll is definitely 'smarter' than Ross so that's good. But everywhere else it's probably about the same (I don't think Joseph is much 'smarter' than either Lou or GV) or potentially worse (Fields/Hayes were both intelligent players).

Casey said Biyombo was probably their best defensive communicator apart from Scola so I don't think he has bad basketball IQ at all, just poor offensive skills.

[stretch]

I'm not sure its a new era with regards to IQ. Biyombo and AB both seem to have low IQ's. I see the potential in Wright though.

Scola is probably 'smarter' than Amir so that's good. Carroll is definitely 'smarter' than Ross so that's good. But everywhere else it's probably about the same (I don't think Joseph is much 'smarter' than either Lou or GV) or potentially worse (Fields/Hayes were both intelligent players).

I would rate Amir over Scola every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Amir is an intelligent like Scola and the better defender.

[grindhouse]

Casey said Biyombo was probably their best defensive communicator apart from Scola so I don't think he has bad basketball IQ at all, just poor offensive skills.

beat me to it but I wasnt shocked when he said it and wasnt shocked that casey was shocked!

[SkywalkerAC]

Casey said Biyombo was probably their best defensive communicator apart from Scola so I don't think he has bad basketball IQ at all, just poor offensive skills.

And therein lies the problem with a catch-all term 'Basketball IQ'. You have guys that know the game really well, communicate it to others, but can't really play (relative to top NBA talent) - think coaches, Salabrine, Jacques Vaughn. Then you've got guys that only know a limited roll on offense but are all-world on D. On the other side, many uber-smart point guards can't play a lick defensively.

BBall IQ is usually so poorly defined as to mean nothing. And to assume that young players can't develop their knowledge and skill in any facet of the game is asinine.

[mcHAPPY]

Raptors totally wasted that Bruno pick. KYLE. ANDERSON. Now THAT is a basketball player. #FireMasai #KyleAnderson4Life

[grindhouse]

And therein lies the problem with a catch-all term 'Basketball IQ'. You have guys that know the game really well, communicate it to others, but can't really play (relative to top NBA talent) - think coaches, Salabrine, Jacques Vaughn. Then you've got guys that only know a limited roll on offense but are all-world on D. On the other side, many uber-smart point guards can't play a lick defensively.

BBall IQ is usually so poorly defined as to mean nothing. And to assume that young players can't develop their knowledge and skill in any facet of the game is asinine.

you have a point but I am sure you have seen it or others here have seen a young talented team go up against a old slow team and the older heads wins, why is that ? knowledge of the game will almost always beat out raw talent.

[grindhouse]

i like the direction of the team

[SkywalkerAC]

you have a point but I am sure you have seen it or others here have seen a young talented team go up against a old slow team and the older heads wins, why is that ? knowledge of the game will almost always beat out raw talent.

Sure, that's why you need a good balance of veterans - to win today - and youth - to learn for tomorrow.

A big part of veteran superiority is also the physicality they bring, and while that should be considered a component of basketball intelligence - sneaking in an elbow here, a jersey tug there, hard fouls, physical intimidation and the mental intimidation that goes with it - I don't know if that's what you meant initially.

The point is, you really don't know how or how quickly players' skill and knowledge and intuition for the game will improve. Remember that when Vince Carter was the age Bruno is now, he was about to put up 7.5 points as a freshman in college.

[S.R.]

And therein lies the problem with a catch-all term 'Basketball IQ'. You have guys that know the game really well, communicate it to others, but can't really play (relative to top NBA talent) - think coaches, Salabrine, Jacques Vaughn. Then you've got guys that only know a limited roll on offense but are all-world on D. On the other side, many uber-smart point guards can't play a lick defensively.

BBall IQ is usually so poorly defined as to mean nothing. And to assume that young players can't develop their knowledge and skill in any facet of the game is asinine.

I agree and think the same is true with athleticism. So many different physical skills are actually "athleticism" and each guy has some variety of those skills.