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I don't understand the bashing of Triano...the man is the greatest Canadian head coach of an NBA team of all time in the entire history of the NBA.For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar
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@Thead : Neither do I. Triano may not be a disciplinarian like casey, popovich, larry brown, but he knows his x's and o's. he has a much better offense than casey, and ball always moves(doesn't always rely on iso, whether it's carter, bosh, mike james, tj ford, bargs, derozan, gay, lowry, allan friggin andersen, john lucas). And we almost made it to the playoffs, and were actually a middle seed in the east before rupaul quit and shut himself down after the all-star weekend to go to southbeach (also with lebron screwing with us, played in a game vs raps = raps lost; DNP vs bulls = bulls won --> bulls got the 8th seed by 1 game).Last edited by 2KJ; Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:55 PM.
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DoNDaDDa wrote: View Posthe had VC,TMac,ADavis,Oakley,Willis,Muggsy,Alvin Williams,dee brown,Christie,Dell Curry, that's hardly VC and spare parts!
Like I said, Carter plus spare parts. Butch deserves credit for taking this group to the playoffs.
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2KJ wrote: View Post@Thead : Neither do I. Triano may not be a disciplinarian like casey, popovich, larry brown, but he knows his x's and o's. he has a much better offense than casey, and ball always moves(doesn't always rely on iso, whether it's carter, bosh, mike james, tj ford, bargs, derozan, gay, lowry, allan friggin andersen, john lucas). And we almost made it to the playoffs, and were actually a middle seed in the east before rupaul quit and shut himself down after the all-star weekend to go to southbeach (also with lebron screwing with us, played in a game vs raps = raps lost; DNP vs bulls = bulls won --> bulls got the 8th seed by 1 game).
I hate to rain on your parade, but I think thead's remark was sarcastic, because Triano wins by default."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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Nilanka wrote: View PostTMac and Christie were role players. Davis was a backup 1 year prior. Oakley was a grizzled vet well past his prime (even moreso for Willis). Alvin Williams barely saw the floor. Dee Brown was as "good" as John Lucas, and Curry was a one-dimensional shooter.
Like I said, Carter plus spare parts. Butch deserves credit for taking this group to the playoffs.
Clearly, I'm in the opinion that Casey is the better coach between the two
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Mediumcore wrote: View Postum, I beleive coach mitchell had one of the top 5 players in the NBA on his roster during the peak of said players career. I didn't like the way they let him go, but I'd take Casey over Mitchell any day of the week.
Mitchell imo is an awful analyst. If I had to listen to him call Raptors games I would probably start liking Leo Rautins.
And no Vince wasn't a top 5 player in 2004. 2001 yes, 2004 no.
Mitchell > Casey.Mamba Mentality
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2KJ wrote: View Post@Thead : Neither do I. Triano may not be a disciplinarian like casey, popovich, larry brown, but he knows his x's and o's. he has a much better offense than casey, and ball always moves(doesn't always rely on iso, whether it's carter, bosh, mike james, tj ford, bargs, derozan, gay, lowry, allan friggin andersen, john lucas). And we almost made it to the playoffs, and were actually a middle seed in the east before rupaul quit and shut himself down after the all-star weekend to go to southbeach (also with lebron screwing with us, played in a game vs raps = raps lost; DNP vs bulls = bulls won --> bulls got the 8th seed by 1 game).
I mentioned earlier that IMO the Raptors downfall started with Mitchell's exit, your post gives me an opportunity to say why. Triano's team almost made the play offs the following year but DIDN'T. It would've if Sam was the Coach. That team was easily the best team that BC has assembled as Raptors GM. So good that they were in 4th place at the all star break. Following the AS break, things fell apart to a point where Raps. fell out of the play off picture. While people blamed it on injuries, Hedo etc, I think it was entirely the Coach's fault. The ability to keep the team together SUCCESSFULLY when it matters is what Sam had and Triano absolutely didn't. IMO.Attitude Is A Choice.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostThe thing about Butch that makes me never want to touch him again with a 10 foot pole, is that he clearly didn't understand anything about managing players and relationships, both within the team, and in the league in general. We can talk about xs and os, and game prep, and motivation, and blah blah blah....but the hardest part of being a successful coach in the NBA is maintaing strong relationships with your players and your GM (who always has to have your back). I don't believe Butch was any good at that. His players didn't really like him, he went after his boss' job, he sued an ex-player...Dude has more ego than Michael Jordan...
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Oakley:"Butch is an accountable guy, he knows what he's doing. Like I told you, if he was the coach of the Miami Heat they would have won the Finals," Oakley said in an interview on Monday with Michael Landsberg on Off The Record. "Because in situations, he's the best, (runs a) great offence, he knows how to prepare. He gets you going, he has fun, but at practice, he'll work you harder than you worked before."
Vince:
"I think Butch would be a great coach. What he did for Tracy and I, as far just teaching us the game, pushing us ... there was no favouritism, put it that way," Vince Carter said. "He was great for us. I learned a lot, I learned how to play the game outside of the veterans we had. I think he would do great for a team of young guys."
T-Mac:
"He was on both of us, so hard. If I didn't play defence, I didn't play at all," McGrady added. "And I appreciated the challenge that he gave me every day and I just lived up to it. The X's and O's? He knows all about it.
"Some of those game-winning plays that we had? If you see (them) on the highlights of Vince? Butch drew all those plays up."
http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=379922
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Nilanka wrote: View PostTMac and Christie were role players. Davis was a backup 1 year prior. Oakley was a grizzled vet well past his prime (even moreso for Willis). Alvin Williams barely saw the floor. Dee Brown was as "good" as John Lucas, and Curry was a one-dimensional shooter.
Like I said, Carter plus spare parts. Butch deserves credit for taking this group to the playoffs.
If that group didn't make the playoffs I woulda hung Butch myself.
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