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  • CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    You obviously haven't read the entire thread, since those of us in favor of this type of move keep saying that Fields won't be required to score many points in the revamped starting lineup, just because he's replacing DeRozan.

    Part of the problem with the makeup of the current starting lineup is that there are too many scorers who all need the ball to be successful individually. Lowry isn't even able to play his style of game because he's too busy deferring to Gay & DeRozan, while also trying to feed the ball to Valanciunas, Johnson and DeRozan, to help make each of them successful. Having 2 high-volume, ineffcient scorers on the same lineup just won't work, especially when neither of them is the PG who also needs to facilitate for the other 2 players; there aren't enough balls to go around.

    Fields will provide balance to the lineup, by reducing the demand for the ball and doing the stuff he already is good at (and much better already than DeRozan):
    - perimeter defense
    - off-ball play on offense
    - facilitating ball movement on offense
    - rebounding at both ends

    Fields will be the #5 scorer on the starting lineup (especially if DeRozan is traded for a more offensive-minded starting PF), so your point about his shot needing to improve and become more consistent isn't even that important. Even so, his shot has clearly improved over the past month or so as is, so I'm confident that an offseason and training camp will only further help him improve his mechanics.

    Fields won't be asked to replace DeRozan's scoring, even though he'll be replacing DeRozan as the starting SG! He'll be asked to do what Anthony Parker did for the Raptors during their playoff years with Bosh. He's a 'glue guy' being asked to provide defense and intangibles, similar to Tony Allen in Memphis, MWP in LA, etc...
    First of all - Anthony Parker could shoot VERY WELL. I'm pretty sure he shot over 40 percent from 3's.

    Do you realize that Landry Fields will be left open to shoot (teams always play off of the worst shooter)?? EVERYONE knows about his injury and shooting woes. They will game plan to crowd others and leave him open. How is that not important?

    Do you really think its not important that he at least regains his ROOKIE form?? Shouldn't we wait and see before trading away our better players? First of all i have no faith that BC even knows how to make this team better. Who's to say he won't fuck this up?

    Secondly - Please DO NOT compare Fields to Tony Allen OR Sefolosha or even MWP. Fields has NEVER been a lock down defender. To say this would be drinking kool-aid. He's indeed better than Ross and Demar but he is in NO WAY comparable to Tony Allen or the other 2. Have you seen him "shut down" anyone this year? I don't recall him shutting anyone down.

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    • Someone has got a kool-aid obsession

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      • special1 wrote: View Post
        First of all - Anthony Parker could shoot VERY WELL. I'm pretty sure he shot over 40 percent from 3's.

        Do you realize that Landry Fields will be left open to shoot (teams always play off of the worst shooter)?? EVERYONE knows about his injury and shooting woes. They will game plan to crowd others and leave him open. How is that not important?

        Do you really think its not important that he at least regains his ROOKIE form?? Shouldn't we wait and see before trading away our better players? First of all i have no faith that BC even knows how to make this team better. Who's to say he won't fuck this up?

        Secondly - Please DO NOT compare Fields to Tony Allen OR Sefolosha or even MWP. Fields has NEVER been a lock down defender. To say this would be drinking kool-aid. He's indeed better than Ross and Demar but he is in NO WAY comparable to Tony Allen or the other 2. Have you seen him "shut down" anyone this year? I don't recall him shutting anyone down.
        Parker could shoot well, but he never averaged more than 8-12 PPG, since scoring wasn't his priority. I do think Fields is capable of hitting open 3's already and am confident he will be much improved shooter next season. As long as he's able to sink a few open looks and keep the defense honest, then he's fulfilling his duty.

        I said that Fields is "a 'glue-guy' being asked to provide defense and intangibles, similar to Tony Allen in Memphis, MWP in LA, etc..." and I stand by that. I never said he was their equal, only that his role would be the same. For the record, he had some great games this year shutting down LBJ, Kobe and 'Melo. He's definitely an above average wing defender who could very easily become one of the league's best lockdown perimeter defenders, given consistent playing time - and a huge improvement over DeRozan, as you confirmed.

        The whole point of swapping DeRozan for Fields and Johnson for a more offensive-minded PF, is to create better balance and offensive flow for the starting unit. Sometimes the best "unit" isn't necessarily the 5 most talented players, because the group has to have a variety of roles and chemistry to be successful; I just believe that the current starting unit is too redundant in certain areas and lacking in others, which these 2 lineup changes would help resolve.

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        • Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
          Even if he somehow does not fix his jumpshot, he still has an amazing bball iq, moves well OFF the ball, rebounds the ball, and is an awesome defender. he compliments this team well because he doesn't need the ball in his hands every possession to have a positive impact on the game
          Okay so 4 on 5 doesn't hurt the team?? Your arguments make no sense from what i've seen of him this year. When did landry fields become this great passer? The guy plays 21 mins per game and averages 1.2 assists per game. You guys are giving him the benefit of the doubt....I call this kool-aid drinking. I havent seen this amazing bball IQ, Team player, awesome defender AT ALL this year. Just because BC says shit....doesn't make it true. I admit he's a good defender and he doesn't try to shoot (even when he's open - because he couldn't hit a basket even from under the rim) but that's awesome??

          Personally, I like the guy. I enjoyed his PS Vita commercials. But I think we should keep it real. I hope he comes back and makes me eat my words. I hope you guys are all right and he is the second coming of Anthony Parker. Right now i'm just a show and prove type of guy. I dont believe in blind faith moves and what ifs.

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          • special1 wrote: View Post
            Okay so 4 on 5 doesn't hurt the team?? Your arguments make no sense from what i've seen of him this year. When did landry fields become this great passer? The guy plays 21 mins per game and averages 1.2 assists per game. You guys are giving him the benefit of the doubt....I call this kool-aid drinking. I havent seen this amazing bball IQ, Team player, awesome defender AT ALL this year. Just because BC says shit....doesn't make it true. I admit he's a good defender and he doesn't try to shoot (even when he's open - because he couldn't hit a basket even from under the rim) but that's awesome??

            Personally, I like the guy. I enjoyed his PS Vita commercials. But I think we should keep it real. I hope he comes back and makes me eat my words. I hope you guys are all right and he is the second coming of Anthony Parker. Right now i'm just a show and prove type of guy. I dont believe in blind faith moves and what ifs.
            He's smart enough to find an open pocket around the rim & not just camp outside when he doesn't have the ball. But yeah, his shot worries me & I'm not sure whether he can fix it over the summer. He does bring other things to the table that doesn't require high usage % & he is by far, our best perimeter defender -- which is why I'm pretty high on him. But I do agree that he needs to improve his shot to be considered a legitimate starter.
            “I don’t create controversies. They’re there long before I open my mouth. I just bring them to your attention.”

            -- Charles Barkley

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            • RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
              I saw more negative than positive for the most part when he was on the floor, but he also steps onto the floor being negative. Poor body language, poor composure. Demar was probably our best rookie at being consistent with the attitude, JV is right there too.

              I'm one of those people who say "if you can prove me wrong, go ahead", but this is my current attitude towards Ross. Just haven't been a fan quite frankly. I will say though, he's had some great games (probably like 2) and is a fun player to watch in the open court.
              He has a T Mac like attitude. So most of the time it looks like he's not trying, when actually he's probably giving more effort on defense than DeMar does 90% of the time. I like Ross and i think he has a very high ceiling. He's basically putting up the same numbers as DeMar in his rookie year and he's coming off the bench playing limited minutes. Some nights he doesn't even play. If he got consistent minutes like DD in his rookie year he'd be putting up much better numbers

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              • special1 wrote: View Post
                I think your pretty stupid for thinking you can forsee the future. Landry "fits"??.....you mean if he can shoot again?? The guy needs rehab for god's sake!.....and your ready to put him into the starting lineup!! lol Do you have a timetable on his injury that we don't?? Are you sure he'll go back to his rookie year shooting?

                We're talking about Landry Fields AS IS....your talking about Landry Fields in best case scenario (hope filled homers). Landry Fields AS IS means we'll be playing 4 on 5 offensively with him out on the floor. If you think that compliments anyone your drinking wayy too much kool-aid.

                The guy needs time to get back to form (if he ever does). What i'm saying is let's wait and see before we trade away Demar. You thinking LF OR TROss is ready to climb into the starter's role is pretty silly IMO. I do hope your right and we can improve our team, BUT right now LF does NOTHING to improve our team AS IS. Your basically making a whole lot of assumptions......do you know someone with a similar injury?? Are you a doctor?
                He will, a summer of working on his shot will bring him back to his old form. His injury isn't that complicated and a summer of shooting will really help. And btw playing 4 on 5 offensively is better than playing 2 on 5 like we are now. Did you just tell me to stop drinking kool aid? you're the one who thinks that we can win games with DeMar and Rudy starting together. Look at the results, we've lost 7 of the last 10 and have only won like 4 games in april with those 2 starting together. YOU need to stop drinking the kool aid. I'm not making assumptions, LF isn't coming from a freaking ACL tear. He'll come back next year a better player i guarantee that

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                • special1 wrote: View Post
                  First of all - Anthony Parker could shoot VERY WELL. I'm pretty sure he shot over 40 percent from 3's.

                  Do you realize that Landry Fields will be left open to shoot (teams always play off of the worst shooter)?? EVERYONE knows about his injury and shooting woes. They will game plan to crowd others and leave him open. How is that not important?

                  Do you really think its not important that he at least regains his ROOKIE form?? Shouldn't we wait and see before trading away our better players? First of all i have no faith that BC even knows how to make this team better. Who's to say he won't fuck this up?

                  Secondly - Please DO NOT compare Fields to Tony Allen OR Sefolosha or even MWP. Fields has NEVER been a lock down defender. To say this would be drinking kool-aid. He's indeed better than Ross and Demar but he is in NO WAY comparable to Tony Allen or the other 2. Have you seen him "shut down" anyone this year? I don't recall him shutting anyone down.
                  Carmelo Anthony. He's been through a lot this season. Give him till next year and he'll prove you wrong. He's a very good defender, he just never gets consistent minutes because of DC's retarded sub patterns.

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                  • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                    Carmelo Anthony. He's been through a lot this season. Give him till next year and he'll prove you wrong. He's a very good defender, he just never gets consistent minutes because of DC's retarded sub patterns.
                    I'm a Raptor Fan first and foremost so i hope your right.

                    FYI - Landry Fields started 22 of the 48 games he‘s played so far this season. I think his impact gets exaggerated around here but to each his own. I think its best to take a wait and see approach.

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                    • If Fields started todays game what would of happened nothing. fields is a raptor by mistake DeRozan is the Raptors SG make no mistake about it. Hes a kid you want in your franchise.

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                      • You here those crickets?? LOL my nba.com app says Landry Fields got 3 seconds in the game tonight..... That can't be right! Is he injured?

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                        • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                          He has a T Mac like attitude. So most of the time it looks like he's not trying, when actually he's probably giving more effort on defense than DeMar does 90% of the time. I like Ross and i think he has a very high ceiling. He's basically putting up the same numbers as DeMar in his rookie year and he's coming off the bench playing limited minutes. Some nights he doesn't even play. If he got consistent minutes like DD in his rookie year he'd be putting up much better numbers
                          My point isn't about his numbers, many people have used this argument against me too, but anyone playing lots of time and getting touches will definitely get their numbers. That's not what I'm talking about.

                          T-Mac like attitude? So what you're saying is fairly contradictory. T-Mac looked like he wasn't trying, because he actually wasn't trying. I'm not saying Ross isn't trying, I'm saying his composure and body language is poor, and shows he is expecting to be given something he definitely has not earned this season. He hasn't earned playing time with inconsistent play, and far too many "rookie mistakes". Makes too many silly plays out there.

                          Demar works hard, and it's definitely undeniable. You yourself (former Demar homer - like myself) said Demar has improved every season. Maybe I should go digging for responses to back it up? If you would like to use his numbers as an argument, than check the season statistics, and it definitely has improvements from season, to season.

                          I will agree Ross is more skilled than Derozan was in his first year, and obviously a much more athletic player, but I'm not seeing much. He's had three good games (now counting the game vs. Bulls).

                          Like I said, I'm one of those who will wait and see, but I'm just saying I don't see anything too special out of him. You, anyone on this poster, can give me your opinion, but the only person that's going to change that, is Ross himself.

                          P.S, I'm not saying Ross can go out there and play to prove me wrong only lol
                          Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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                          • RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
                            My point isn't about his numbers, many people have used this argument against me too, but anyone playing lots of time and getting touches will definitely get their numbers. That's not what I'm talking about.

                            T-Mac like attitude? So what you're saying is fairly contradictory. T-Mac looked like he wasn't trying, because he actually wasn't trying. I'm not saying Ross isn't trying, I'm saying his composure and body language is poor, and shows he is expecting to be given something he definitely has not earned this season. He hasn't earned playing time with inconsistent play, and far too many "rookie mistakes". Makes too many silly plays out there.

                            Demar works hard, and it's definitely undeniable. You yourself (former Demar homer - like myself) said Demar has improved every season. Maybe I should go digging for responses to back it up? If you would like to use his numbers as an argument, than check the season statistics, and it definitely has improvements from season, to season.

                            I will agree Ross is more skilled than Derozan was in his first year, and obviously a much more athletic player, but I'm not seeing much. He's had three good games (now counting the game vs. Bulls).

                            Like I said, I'm one of those who will wait and see, but I'm just saying I don't see anything too special out of him. You, anyone on this poster, can give me your opinion, but the only person that's going to change that, is Ross himself.

                            P.S, I'm not saying Ross can go out there and play to prove me wrong only lol
                            I agree with your opinion of Ross. I know a lot of people think highly of the guy, but I seriously need to see a lot more out of him before I think he will even be a significant contributor off the bench. Luckily, this is just his first season so he has plenty of time to prove what he is capable of.

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                            • special1 wrote: View Post
                              You here those crickets?? LOL my nba.com app says Landry Fields got 3 seconds in the game tonight..... That can't be right! Is he injured?
                              Hes a liability on the offensive end and Casey didnt play him I hope Acy gets more burn over him and we can trade him soon. YES Im serious.

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                              • I didn't like the signing of Fields when it happened and still hate it. He's an end of the bench type player getting paid like a regular rotation guy. He's a decent defender, but no where near a lock down type guy. Sadly his contract makes him almost unmovable. He better get his ass in the gym and turn himself into something resembling a 3 point specialist if he wants to have any sort of career. Really hope he gets packaged in a deal heading outbound. Damn Yogi Stewart situation all over again.

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