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  • #31
    It's fucking hilarious that a team with 4 future Hall Of Famers can barely make the playoffs. I blame the coach.

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    • #32
      Dino4life wrote: View Post
      1- Lakers are making the playoffs next year with or without Kobe, Nash And Howard led teams to the playoffs by themselves, Gasol could too, they wont be contenders but they'll be good enough for a 5-8 seed.

      2-They will not amnesty Kobe because he wont be able to resign with the lakers for 3 years Making him retire somewhere else if he ever wants to play again. After what he's done for them they wont force him into retirement like that.
      If Kobe gets amnestied, Lakers will be able to sign him again in 2014. He also would get his $30M next year ( it wouldnt count against lakers payroll ), plus lakers would save MORE THAN $80M in luxury taxes.

      If we look from business side, Kobe must be waived. There is no question. Would you have player in your roster who will play max couples months in that season? Or maybe not even a month. + Plus you would save over $80M in penalties and taxes if you amnesty him.

      But if we look from fans side, from respect side, then I doubt Lakers will waive him. But in my opinion Kobe's waiving should be in consideration talks.

      Kobe either way will get his $30M++ next year.

      EDIT: But wow, there are plenty of talks about Kobe while MRI results aren't on the hand yet.. wow.
      Last edited by rocwell; Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:05 PM.

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      • #33
        Dino4life wrote: View Post
        1- Lakers are making the playoffs next year with or without Kobe, Nash And Howard led teams to the playoffs by themselves, Gasol could too, they wont be contenders but they'll be good enough for a 5-8 seed.

        2-They will not amnesty Kobe because he wont be able to resign with the lakers for 3 years Making him retire somewhere else if he ever wants to play again. After what he's done for them they wont force him into retirement like that.
        A few things.

        -Kobe has claimed next year would be his last anyways, which ofcourse may or may not be true.
        - I wasn't able to get the Larry Coon FAQs site to load but I'm pretty confident a team can't resign an amnestied player for the duration of their contract. If true that means the Lakers could resign him the year after. (someone correct me if this is wrong)
        - I'm not positive when the repeater tax rule starts (if its since the most recent CBA or if it accounts to before) the Lakers would save somewhere between (rough estimates) 60 and 100 mil dollars of tax on Kobe's salary.


        Assuming he is out for next season, I'd be shocked if they didn't amnesty him, and I'd be just as shocked if Laker fans did more than bat an eye at it. They all know his career is and was winding down anyways.

        Why would even the biggest Kobe fan care if the Lakers amnesty kobe given - he wasn't going to play anyways, he would get paid, and the team could resign him?

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        • #34
          rocwell wrote: View Post
          EDIT: But wow, there are plenty of talks about Kobe while MRI results aren't on the hand yet.. wow.
          Yes, a partial tear can heal much faster than a complete tear. If it's only a partial he could be back in 6-9 months. However, if it's a complete tear, than he's probably done for a full season.

          IF the Lakers were allowed to sign him after next season when his current contract is up, and they were reasonably sure that Kobe wasn't go to play at all next season, then I don't why they couldn't come to an agreement and amnesty him. If I'm Kobe, I probably tell them it's a good idea. He still get paid, and the org saves a lot of money, making it easier for them to win 1 more title when he returns (if he decides to not retire). From my understanding, the only disadvantage is that LA would no longer have his bird rights, but considering he's coming off a crazy salary, a crazy injury, and is in the twilight of his career I think it's safe to assume that he's not getting MAX money anymore, which means that he's not losing that much. Also the Lakers can compensate Kobe by doing a contract for multiple years, and front loading the contract. That way he makes money even if he retires.

          I never would have thought that It'd be possible, but amnestying bryant makes a lot of sense, and because KOBE is the face of the lakers, I can't see their being a lot of backlash. The only way the amnesty him, is if they explain the situation, make it clear that they are going to sign him back in the off season, that he is still a Laker in spirit, and that this is just a nifty way to save 80 million dollars.

          As long as Kobe is on board with it, because there's no way they do it unless he's on board, I think it's actually a real possibility, although, I'd say the odds are 4 to 1 that they DON'T amnesty him.
          "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

          "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

          "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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          • #35
            ezz_bee wrote: View Post
            Yes, a partial tear can heal much faster than a complete tear. If it's only a partial he could be back in 6-9 months. However, if it's a complete tear, than he's probably done for a full season.

            IF the Lakers were allowed to sign him after next season when his current contract is up, and they were reasonably sure that Kobe wasn't go to play at all next season, then I don't why they couldn't come to an agreement and amnesty him. If I'm Kobe, I probably tell them it's a good idea. He still get paid, and the org saves a lot of money, making it easier for them to win 1 more title when he returns (if he decides to not retire). From my understanding, the only disadvantage is that LA would no longer have his bird rights, but considering he's coming off a crazy salary, a crazy injury, and is in the twilight of his career I think it's safe to assume that he's not getting MAX money anymore, which means that he's not losing that much. Also the Lakers can compensate Kobe by doing a contract for multiple years, and front loading the contract. That way he makes money even if he retires.

            I never would have thought that It'd be possible, but amnestying bryant makes a lot of sense, and because KOBE is the face of the lakers, I can't see their being a lot of backlash. The only way the amnesty him, is if they explain the situation, make it clear that they are going to sign him back in the off season, that he is still a Laker in spirit, and that this is just a nifty way to save 80 million dollars.

            As long as Kobe is on board with it, because there's no way they do it unless he's on board, I think it's actually a real possibility, although, I'd say the odds are 4 to 1 that they DON'T amnesty him.
            Results are here lol. Kobe Bryant's surgery is scheduled for 1 p.m. PT. "It's a third-degree tear. It's gone. Completely torn," said trainer Gary Vitti.

            It could involve Raptors for the next season for sure. Lakers will look some changes for the next season.

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            • #36
              I think cause and effect are hard to determine. There's a few specialists quoted over on the rumours page at hoopshype who are of the opinion that it was not related to the amount of minutes he logged.

              I don't think it's fair to blame d'antoni. This isn't Any Given Sunday. Kobe wanted to be on that court, and kobe wanted to get into the playoffs. I was hoping for the lakers to miss the playoffs, but now I kind of want them to make it and give either the spurs or okc a run for their money. Still want them to lose in the first round though.
              "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

              "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

              "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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              • #37
                It's really difficult to say whether this will be his last game or not. He was thinking about retiring after next season. Also, if he knows he's going to be out a full season, then he has to work his ass off to rehab, only to play one more season? He's also stated he doesn't want to play unless he can play at elite level. It seems like he'll be 80%-90% of his old self, but not 100%. How long the rehab takes, and how much explosiveness he gets back will probably be the determining factors. That, and whether or not he thinks the lakers have a shot at another championship.
                "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

                "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

                "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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                • #38
                  He was thinking about retiring. But he was also musing about playing until he was 40.

                  Apparently the time-table set on his recovery is 6-9 months, which could place him right at the beginning of the season. People are blowing this waay out of proportion. Its Kobe. Of course he's going to come back from this.

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                  • #39
                    Craiger wrote: View Post
                    A few things.

                    -Kobe has claimed next year would be his last anyways, which ofcourse may or may not be true.
                    - I wasn't able to get the Larry Coon FAQs site to load but I'm pretty confident a team can't resign an amnestied player for the duration of their contract. If true that means the Lakers could resign him the year after. (someone correct me if this is wrong)
                    - I'm not positive when the repeater tax rule starts (if its since the most recent CBA or if it accounts to before) the Lakers would save somewhere between (rough estimates) 60 and 100 mil dollars of tax on Kobe's salary.


                    Assuming he is out for next season, I'd be shocked if they didn't amnesty him, and I'd be just as shocked if Laker fans did more than bat an eye at it. They all know his career is and was winding down anyways.

                    Why would even the biggest Kobe fan care if the Lakers amnesty kobe given - he wasn't going to play anyways, he would get paid, and the team could resign him?
                    You are right about this. However, they'd lose his bird rights. So the only way they'd be able to resign him is by getting him to sign as a free agent using one of their exceptions (max $5 million, but more likely $3 million), get far enough under the cap that they can sign him outright (possible, if they do a complete blow-up and don't resign Howard or any other big ticket UFAs), or get far enough under the tax apron that they can swing a sign-and-trade with whatever team owns his rights.

                    Anyway, I think the 6-9 months timeframe from the doctor pretty-much puts a fork in the amnesty talk, unless the timeframe changes significantly between now and July.

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                    • #40
                      Turns out the achilles was just ruptured, not torn, so it's less severe than previously thought. Still scary though.
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                      • #41
                        octothorp wrote: View Post
                        You are right about this. However, they'd lose his bird rights. So the only way they'd be able to resign him is by getting him to sign as a free agent using one of their exceptions (max $5 million, but more likely $3 million), get far enough under the cap that they can sign him outright (possible, if they do a complete blow-up and don't resign Howard or any other big ticket UFAs), or get far enough under the tax apron that they can swing a sign-and-trade with whatever team owns his rights.

                        Anyway, I think the 6-9 months timeframe from the doctor pretty-much puts a fork in the amnesty talk, unless the timeframe changes significantly between now and July.
                        Lakers only have 10 mil in salary in the 2014/15 season (Nash). If we assume Dwight gets the max, approx 20 mil average I believe, thats still leaves them lots of room to pay Kobe. Now that doesn't account for picks + other players to fill out a roster or salary threshold increasing, or exceptions available to them. Either way they are likely to have lots of room to give Kobe another big pay day. (just not to the scope he's getting now)

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                        • #42
                          Sig wrote: View Post
                          It's fucking hilarious that a team with 4 future Hall Of Famers can barely make the playoffs. I blame the coach.
                          Gasol and Nash missed about 60 games combined; Howard came back from an injury; their bench features a 36 year old 6ht man, an over the hill pg who used to a pretty average player and some borderline nba rotation players.

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                          • #43
                            For those blaming D'Antoni for the injury:





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                            • #44
                              Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                              Gasol and Nash missed about 60 games combined; Howard came back from an injury; their bench features a 36 year old 6ht man, an over the hill pg who used to a pretty average player and some borderline nba rotation players.
                              Saw the Nash part coming. Phoenix's training staff is world class.

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                              • #45
                                TRX wrote: View Post
                                Saw the Nash part coming. Phoenix's training staff is world class.
                                But even they wouldn't have been able to prevent someone with some chronic issues from getting closer to 40 years old.

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