44 and 11 from Curry...holy hell.
He has reached the fear level.
Who's to say that Rose in for 5-10 minutes, essentially just warming up and gaining confidence, is the best basketball decision based on Nates, and the Bulls, play of late?
They just beat Miami with Nate doing a fine job. I just don't see why Chicago would go and mess with a good thing. Obviously having Rose would be nice, but if you can get to the second round without Rose, and steal home court advantage, then you're doing something right, and should look to keep it going.
It didn't work too well for Orlando when Nelson came back from injury in the finals. At the very least it will make Thibodeau's job a lot harder.
Personnally, I find it hard to believe that Rose is at or near 100% and not playing in these playoffs. I think he and the organization are being very cautious, but as long as the Bulls continue to be competitive, I think he will sit. I mean, if he was ready to go, don't you think they would have at least dressed him for game 7 in Brooklyn, in case they fell behind and needed to make a run in the 4th? Or gave him a few minutes here and there to guage his progress?
I only see him playing if they fall behind to Miami and they feel that putting him in can win them a game or two, but with limited minutes with a limited role. Expecting him to play typical Derrick Rose ball would be foolish and risky. If he isn't 100%, then Rose playing Rose-like ball would only increase the likelihood of re-injury. I don't think the organization will take the chance, especially not knowing what he is capable of doing in a playoff game. Maybe if they feel that putting him in will get them past Miami, but other than that I doubt he plays.
Plus, as JoeyHesketh pointed out, why mess with a good thing? Using him could very well do more harm than good. It's kinda difficult to think that could happen, but the chemistry and confidence that this team is exhibiting could be upset if Rose gets inserted into then lineup.
I think Joakim said it best:
Last edited by Joey; Tue May 7th, 2013 at 01:50 PM.
I wonder if the doctors are being pressured to clear him but he feels he isn't up to it physically and doesn't want to take the chance on ruining his career. I have read some posts elsewhere by Bulls fans that blame Thibs for over-playing Rose and ultimately leading to his injury. Perhaps Rose thinks that too, and is just trying to protect his longevity. Maybe he fears that if he starts to play, he will have to over-do it in order to live up to the expectations of his return. I don't know...just throwing shit out there, but if Rose is healthy and not playing then WTF is going on in Chicago?
How about Bargs, Lowry and Gay for Boozer and Rose lol
Nate has done a FINE job of subbing in for Rose.
At this point in time, Rose probably couldn't even be on par with Nate Rob, in terms of consistent contribution.
Not to mention, you move Rose back in and you start messing with the enormous confidence that Nate has been building and playing with.
I think it would be a mistake to bring back DRose at this point in the Playoffs.
If anything, see how good you are without him, and make a move accordingly.
Last edited by Joey; Tue May 7th, 2013 at 01:58 PM.
Hey Reuben, still think Lowry is a better player than Conley?
With Nate Robinson playing as well as he has, the Bulls miss Deng more than Rose right now. I know Butler has been phenomenal also but you need two strong wing defenders when matching up with the Heat.
Why do so many assume (in general, not necessarily just these forums) Rose coming back would be in the best interest of the Bulls? Obviously their team needs him to have a good shot at a championship....but they need him to be his old self. If he's not, it's just going to make it harder on everybody. Hard on the players who have to adjust their play. Hard on the coach who'll feel he has to work Rose back into rotations and posssibly into his starting spot. Hard on Rose, who'll have to get into game shape in the playoffs (!!). I mean, it takes guys 2-4 weeks to get back up to speed in the regular season, and that's a lower intensity level and less physical. No, once Rose didn't make it back by mid-late March, it made sense to assume he won't play again and not try and force him to. Especially since he missed a whole year, so you could probably double adjustment time for him (something like a month or two, minimum).
At this point, I'm not sure there's any real situation where bringing him back in the playoffs is in the best interest of any parties involved. There's just too much risk and uncertainty.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Wed May 8th, 2013 at 12:12 PM.
If Rose is physically ready, which I'm not sure that he is, I say play him and see if he can contribute off the bench. He is, after all collecting a sizable paycheque. Screw his artistic temperament, it's the playoffs and even without him the Bulls are competitive.
Conley played well, he deserves the credit, but when the team locks in on the bigs, and play off of him, or give him some space to operate, it's obvious Conley will have better looks, and passing lanes, and all that fun stuff.
I think Conley is a better fit than Lowry would be, so technically, yes, Conley is a better player than Lowry, but a better player for the Grizzlies.
Blasphemy. There's no way Lowry is a better player than Conley. No way. Look at how much Conley has improved this year; his stats are up in almost every category. He finished third in the league in steals as well. And stop with this "he has Gasol and Randolph" stuff, because he led the Grizzlies in overall plus/minus, which means he can more than hold his own.
He's really shown out in these playoffs, outplaying CP3 in pretty much every game in the first round. Not to mention he literally carried the team to victory yesterday with his near triple-double. He's going to have a feast for the rest of the series, considering he won't have to matchup Westbrook.
Conley is one of the best on ball defenders in the league. Possibly the best pg when it comes to that. He's developed a jump shot, shoots a better percentage and can pass just as well as Lowry. Overall Conley is the better player.
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