What he did in Toronto (and in general) at a absolute level (ie. 20-10 on 50% shooting) is rare. But on a marginal level (ie. 21-9 on 50% or 18-11 on 48% etc) its rather common.
There are lots of players who can do what he did. Not quite as good ofcourse, but very close, and often for much cheaper.
Then we have a matter of 'the details'. He is a rather average rebounder, an average to below average defender and doesn't do much to make his teammates better at either end.
Bosh is a very efficient and consistent player, specifically offensively. There is alot of value in that. He deserves to be a perennial all-star. But he doesn't have that unique quality true superstars or franchise players do. He doesn't dominate in any one, or numerous, aspects of the game. He doesn't have unique physical attributes that allows him to control either end of the floor. He doesn't have that cold blooded instinct/mental toughness others do. He just sort of 'is'.
Its the guys who are unique, who are dominant in areas, who can control the outcome of games who deserve the max deals. Having him as your franchise/best player means your team isn't going to be "elite" without filling your roster with almost equivalent level talent across the board. Now if you pay him max dollars, you are going to have a much more difficult time filling out that roster with equivalent level talent.
Just looking at guys who are PFs I'd rather have:
They can all do what Bosh does, at differing levels ofcourse, but each have something more above and beyond Bosh.
Attitude Is A Choice.
I posted a very similar poll post-draft, pre-lowry. I can't find it now because it got merged into a thread with a million different topics/replies.
My poll included options like "fire him if we miss the playoffs", "fire him immediately", "don't fire him, playoffs or not", etc. I was completely astonished by the support fans here showed for colangelo during the lifecycle of that poll. Almost nobody wanted him fired then. Some said take action if we missed the playoffs, and the majority (if i remember correctly) said they supported the guy fully.
So I am quite happy to see that the BC support has waned in these parts. I guess 5 straight lotteries is less acceptable than 4.
Unfortunately, it's TOO FUCKING LATE! We're now hamstrung with 2 more years of a 10th place roster full of untradeable assets. We're too good to hit the draft jackpot, we're too crap to make the playoffs, we're too maxed out to sign an impact piece, and we don't have the assets to trade for improved talent (unless we sell on Ross/Val). Any GM brought into replace the idiot will essentially man a sinking ship until the 2016 draft.
Last edited by NoBan; Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 at 02:11 PM.
As fun as it is to get on the "FIRE BC IMMEDIATELY!!!" bandwagon - and I would tend to agree Colangelo is not the GM Toronto can count on in the stage the Raptors are currently in, the hard part is searching for a replacement.
... Although, some of you might just throw up your hands and say, "Well just about anybody would be better than this garbage!!!" and you'd probably be right. Still, the Raptors don't need a less bad GM; they need an average to good one or we'll just be trashing the new GM in a few years.
What's incredible funny is that Landry Fields makes 6 million per year, Primo Pastaboy makes 10-11 million per year and Kleiza makes 5 million.
How can you question the fact that our 2nd best player makes 9.5 million??? This is what's ludicrous with MANY fans online. They're upset that BC wasted 20 million on players that don't/can't play and then get upset when our better players make $$$. I personally think DD would've gotten a bigger raise if BC didn't lock him up.
Obviously i'm in the minority.
I think the biggest issue fans have is regardless of whether you think DeRozan "deserves" $9.5 million/year, Colangelo was really bidding against only himself. If you can get away with paying a player, say, $7 million/year, why on earth would you pay him $9.5 million/year? Whether he's worth $7 million/year, $9.5 million/year or $15 million/year, it doesn't change that. Of course, granted, it's just speculation whether Demar would've taken less money, but I would think most signs point to it being a very reasonable guess.
On a general side note, bad contracts do not justify bad contracts. Again, I'm not saying $9.5 million/year for DeRozan is bad, but Bargnani making $10 million/year wouldn't justify it if it were.
The timing of the signing made no sense, especially after the three seasons we just had. Why give a guy a raise based on potential only? Shouldn't he prove it before he got the dough?
In the example of the Toronto Raptors, there is no "b" option as seen above. There is only "a". You can bring in a chimpanzee and it will most likely do a better job at completing the task than Bryan Colangelo.
I have nightmares that when he's done with us..... our situation will be soooo bad that no real GM will want to come here. I would be fine in handing the reigns to Stefanski for now UNTIL we can fine a permanent replacement. Who knows.....maybe Ed Stefanski can be that guy.
I'm currently on the "FIRE BC IMMEDIATELY!!!" bandwagon
People voting to keep BC are like women in an abusive relationship, it's like they can't believe anyone else would want them so they stay with the scumbag because hey it could be worse.
We've missed the playoffs 5 years in a row and haven't drafted in the top 3 in 6 years.....it can't get worse.
I think that needs to be repeated
IT CAN'T GET WORSE!
I have been a sports fan particularly of Toronto teams and I've been hearing "anybody can do a better job than JP, John Furgn Jr, Burke, Babcock and so on and so forth" for a song time. In fact I've said it myself at times. The truth though is that 'it's easier said than done'.
Attitude Is A Choice.
Attitude Is A Choice.
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