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TRex wrote: View PostReally?
Raptors + LeBron = multiple championships.
If competing for a championship year after year doesn't excite you then i want to know what excites you as a basketball fan? Constant rebuilding every year i guess?Official Pope of the Raptors sponsored by MLSE.
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It's a tough spot to be in if your a GM. With a stacked draft class coming up, they can blow the team up and tank hard for 2-3 years, or make a few moves to put the team into legit playoff contention. With the emphasis on championships and a long process, it's hard to imagine they'll be worrying about making the playoffs next year. But that doesn't mean they're going to tank either
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thead wrote: View PostLeBron James was their Point Guard, Shooting Guard, Small Forward, Power Forward and sometimes Center.You come at the King, you best not miss.
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Mr.Z wrote: View PostThat's because Lebrons a freak lol Miami is the only team with the luxury of having a guy who can dominate at all positions.For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar
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TRex wrote: View PostReally?
Raptors + LeBron = multiple championships.
I voted for JV NOT because I think he be the better player (although to be honest I've only seen highlights of Wiggin's play and they DID NOT look like Lebron's HS Highlights. That said, you can't scout from Highlights), but because JV is way less of a risk. I like JV, he's won multiple championships AND MVPS in international competition. Lithuania hasn't been this hyped about a forward since Sabonis. AND everything we are hoping to get from him we are seeing. All we need from him is to get a little better at THE THINGS HE ALREADY DOES.
Listen, if i'm another team and I get to pick between Wiggins and JV then Wiggins it is, but to get rid of JV in order to get Wiggins. I'm not sure I like it. There's a HUGE gulf between Carmelo and Lebron right now. I would trade JV for Lebron, but I WOULD NOT trade JV for Melo.
JV already has +offense and +defense. He's efficient AND effective at both ends of the floor. You don't have to run plays for him his MOTOR is off the charts. Is Wiggins defensive impact going to equal Vals? Is Wiggins going to be as efficient as Val on offense (even if adjusted for the difference between post and wing players)?
For me the argument for trading JV for an unproven Wiggins is similar to the argument that the Spurs should have traded Duncan for Lebron after the 2007 finals. Lebron had a ton of upside, but there were still questions about his ability to come through in the clutch. Is Lebron going to be a better player than Duncan over the next 10 years? Absolutely, but would the spurs be willing to trade him? Absolutely not.
TRex wrote: View PostHomerism at its finest.
Yes Wiggins has a greater upside, but potential does not equal wins. And JV is going to be a player that has a lot of impact on wins. I'm pretty sure JV is going to give advanced metrics a RAGING ERECTION for the vast majority of his career.
Your inability to see the validity of the other side of the argument (whether you actually agree with it or not) can just as easily be termed homerism, since there is no way you can say with 100% certainty that in this and every other possible universe, Wiggins has the better NBA career, and that if he DOES have the better career, his career is SO much better that it warrants the risk involved in trading what is pretty well a sure fire above average player on both ends of the court at the Center position.Last edited by ezz_bee; Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:33 AM."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
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ezz_bee wrote: View PostYour inability to see the validity of the other side of the argument (whether you actually agree with it or not) can just as easily be termed homerism, since there is no way you can say with 100% certainty that in this and every other possible universe, Wiggins has the better NBA career, and that if he DOES have the better career, his career is SO much better that it warrants the risk involved in trading what is pretty well a sure fire above average player on both ends of the court at the Center position.
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What if the Raptors became so good in the next three seasons that Wiggin's decided it would be worth his while to sign them? I think it's got as good of a chance of happening as nabbing the #1 next year.You come at the King, you best not miss.
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Mr.Z wrote: View PostWhat if the Raptors became so good in the next three seasons that Wiggin's decided it would be worth his while to sign them? I think it's got as good of a chance of happening as nabbing the #1 next year.
If Toronto does not draft Wiggins, the Raptors will have to wait at least 8 years for him to move teams, assuming it was not a trade but a free agent signing.
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Mr.Z wrote: View PostWhat if the Raptors became so good in the next three seasons that Wiggin's decided it would be worth his while to sign them? I think it's got as good of a chance of happening as nabbing the #1 next year.
I'd put the odds of getting Wiggins in the draft next year > than sign him as RFA aways from another team. If the Raps can it will only be because Wiggins didn't live up to his billing.
Signing Wiggins as a Free agent has the most likely possibility of being 7 years from when he is drafted, although most likely 8 or 9.
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