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  • #31
    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't make any evaluation of DD and comment towards another poster here personal.

    I have nothing against DD. The problem with DD is he is an average NBA player who is going to be paid 2x league average and 3-4x league median salary. He is easily replaceable.

    What I suggest you keep in mind is exactly what you typed. If DD is so great why didn't teams jump to take him? Of course that assumes you are wrong. You very well might be right in your assessment of his value like stated in the bold. However when looking at the contracts being given out to players who excel at his deficiencies, I can't help but disagree.

    DD might be just 23 but he has 9700 NBA minutes played with the majority being option 1 or 2. He is what he is.
    To say any 23 year old "is what he is" is pretty damn short sighted. He's still 2 years out from his athletic peak (on average for most males). DD has made small but steady improvements every year, so you can't even argue he's plateaued.

    What exactly do you mean by this:
    If DD is so great why didn't teams jump to take him?

    Take him when? In the draft years ago? How do you take a player under long term contract with another team? He never made it to free agency so no teams had a chance to take him then. There are rumors of teams being interested right now. I just have no idea what you're talking about when you're saying teams had a chance to take him, but didn't jump at it.

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    • #32
      Matt52 wrote: View Post
      I don't make any evaluation of DD and comment towards another poster here personal.

      I have nothing against DD. The problem with DD is he is an average NBA player who is going to be paid 2x league average and 3-4x league median salary. He is easily replaceable.

      What I suggest you keep in mind is exactly what you typed. If DD is so great why didn't teams jump to take him? Of course that assumes you are wrong. You very well might be right in your assessment of his value like stated in the bold. However when looking at the contracts being given out to players who excel at his deficiencies, I can't help but disagree.

      DD might be just 23 but he has 9700 NBA minutes played with the majority being option 1 or 2. He is what he is.
      LOL Your on a roll.. Honestly, I can't wait for the season to start! You are going to look even dumber than you did when u were defending mr 13 games last year (only to turn on him when the season started). I'm guessing your going to be proven wrong AGAIN but your ego's sooooo big that it probably won't even phase you.

      Question for you....

      Do you have any PROOF that Masai actually wanted to trade DD?

      Do you honestly think that Demar isn't our best asset besides JV?

      You sir know less about basketball than i thought.....A player peaks that 23?? REALLY? hahaha. Good one Matt52.

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      • #33
        Primer wrote: View Post
        To say any 23 year old "is what he is" is pretty damn short sighted. He's still 2 years out from his athletic peak (on average for most males). DD has made small but steady improvements every year, so you can't even argue he's plateaued.

        What exactly do you mean by this:
        If DD is so great why didn't teams jump to take him?

        Take him when? In the draft years ago? How do you take a player under long term contract with another team? He never made it to free agency so no teams had a chance to take him then. There are rumors of teams being interested right now. I just have no idea what you're talking about when you're saying teams had a chance to take him, but didn't jump at it.
        You are right. Let me rephrase:

        Any player who has been option 1or2 for three years and has 9700 nba minutes under his belt is what he is. Find an example that does not include going from a role player to franchise cornerstone like joe Johnson.

        I should not have said why didn't teams jump to take him. I don't even know if he is available. I don't even know if MU wanted Bledsoe. I don't even know if the clippers rumours were to make ny up offer for Bargnani.

        All I know is that there is one SG getting a ridiculous offer while lots of relative value contracts being signed.... And DD is no value.

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        • #34
          special1 wrote: View Post
          LOL Your on a roll.. Honestly, I can't wait for the season to start! You are going to look even dumber than you did when u were defending mr 13 games last year (only to turn on him when the season started). I'm guessing your going to be proven wrong AGAIN but your ego's sooooo big that it probably won't even phase you.

          Question for you....

          Do you have any PROOF that Masai actually wanted to trade DD?

          Do you honestly think that Demar isn't our best asset besides JV?

          You sir know less about basketball than i thought.....A player peaks that 23?? REALLY? hahaha. Good one Matt52.
          An ego is something I do have, absolutely. However I also have the ability to admit fault and change as circumstances warrant.

          The ironic thing here is you are mocking me for doing EXACTLY what I did with Bargnani. Challenge: Any player who has been option 1or2 for three years and has 9700 nba minutes under his belt is what he is. Find an example that does not include going from a role player to franchise cornerstone like joe Johnson.

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          • #35
            Matt52 wrote: View Post
            An ego is something I do have, absolutely. However I also have the ability to admit fault and change as circumstances warrant.

            The ironic thing here is you are mocking me for doing EXACTLY what I did with Bargnani. Challenge: Any player who has been option 1or2 for three years and has 9700 nba minutes under his belt is what he is. Find an example that does not include going from a role player to franchise cornerstone like joe Johnson.
            i don't really have a horse in this race, but clyde drexler made a big leap after 9653 minutes, just shy of your criteria. PER jump of 4, ppg jump of 5. wasn't option 1 or 2 in first season but neither was demar. we're talking a higher level of jump with this HOFer here though, obviosuly

            ray allen popped immediately to mind which is how i came to clyde through BBref similarity scores, and almost qualifies, making the leap a season earlier but would be same age were demar to do it next year.

            gary payton also close too. made leap at same time, but wasn't first or second option in first two years obviously because he was young pg.

            i like demar well enough, think he's a little overpaid but not vastly so. i'm confused how the ppl gunning to trade him seem to be okay with gay though. he's insanely overpaid. is it because he is so overpaid that the return on DD would be better.

            if we're parting with one of them i pray it's rudy. i'm okay with both though and total rebuild.

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            • #36
              chris wrote: View Post
              i don't really have a horse in this race, but clyde drexler made a big leap after 9653 minutes, just shy of your criteria. PER jump of 4, ppg jump of 5. wasn't option 1 or 2 in first season but neither was demar. we're talking a higher level of jump with this HOFer here though, obviosuly

              ray allen popped immediately to mind which is how i came to clyde through BBref similarity scores, and almost qualifies, making the leap a season earlier but would be same age were demar to do it next year.

              gary payton also close too. made leap at same time, but wasn't first or second option in first two years obviously because he was young pg.

              i like demar well enough, think he's a little overpaid but not vastly so. i'm confused how the ppl gunning to trade him seem to be okay with gay though. he's insanely overpaid. is it because he is so overpaid that the return on DD would be better.

              if we're parting with one of them i pray it's rudy. i'm okay with both though and total rebuild.
              Drexler: made jump in areas you mentioned but look at his rebs, ast, stl, fg%... All consistent and stellar. DD Nowhere near that type of talent.

              Allen is another talent level, again. I don't see similarities. Allen was always proficient. Trade from Milwaukee and Glenn Robinson gave him opportunity at 27 to show what he could do as #1 option. Dd already had that opportunity.

              Payton is a pretty good example... Thanks.

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              • #37
                I'm going to hold off on judging DeRozan's value until a fair chunk of this season has been played.

                I think a healthy Gay, Valanciunas and Lowry, Time, Training Camp, off season work, will lead to a large jump in DeRozan's effeciency. I am curious to see what offensive specialist Nick Nurse brings to the table. There are enough factors changing factors that unless a very good trade comes along, I would like to see if he can earn his benjamins.

                I would like to say though that by the trade deadline this year, it should be crystal clear what DeRozan is going to be.
                For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar

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                • #38
                  Matt52 wrote: View Post
                  Drexler: made jump in areas you mentioned but look at his rebs, ast, stl, fg%... All consistent and stellar. DD Nowhere near that type of talent.

                  Allen is another talent level, again. I don't see similarities. Allen was always proficient. Trade from Milwaukee and Glenn Robinson gave him opportunity at 27 to show what he could do as #1 option. Dd already had that opportunity.

                  Payton is a pretty good example... Thanks.
                  That's interesting seeing that's his mentor. I wonder if Payton tells him he can still be a great player if he keeps working.
                  @Chr1st1anL

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                  • #39
                    12:53
                    Comment From Kevin
                    Have the Raptors made Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry all available?
                    12:54

                    Sam Amico: Not DeRozan, as far as I can tell, Kevin.
                    12:56

                    Sam Amico: Here's the thing, kids: You can land just about anyone but maybe five or six guys in this league. But making a trade is a very, very difficult process. That's why all the rumors are usually wrong. Teams need to change terms, etc., to actually make deals work at the last minute.
                    12:56

                    Sam Amico: But when you ask if Team X received calls about Player X, the answer is almost always yes.

                    http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cle...17&feedID=3725
                    DD lovers rejoice!!!!!!!

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                    • #40
                      Whos Sam Aimco?

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                      • #41
                        Matt52 wrote: View Post

                        12:53
                        Comment From Kevin
                        Have the Raptors made Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry all available?
                        12:54

                        Sam Amico: Not DeRozan, as far as I can tell, Kevin.
                        12:56

                        Sam Amico: Here's the thing, kids: You can land just about anyone but maybe five or six guys in this league. But making a trade is a very, very difficult process. That's why all the rumors are usually wrong. Teams need to change terms, etc., to actually make deals work at the last minute.
                        12:56

                        Sam Amico: But when you ask if Team X received calls about Player X, the answer is almost always yes.

                        http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cle...17&feedID=3725

                        DD lovers rejoice!!!!!!!


                        Its really common sense......He's on a manageable contract for the next 4 years and he's only 23.....There are other issues with the roster that should be dealt with before even considering to trade Demar. I think that's what many fans are saying right now.

                        I'm glad it appears that DD is not available and i hope it continues to stay that way unless someone comes with an offer we cant refuse.

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                        • #42
                          Everyone can relax!

                          Collison won't be signed and traded in any deal for DeRozan:


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                          • #43
                            So Clips traded Bledsoe and signed Collison??? why

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                            • #44
                              Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
                              So Clips traded Bledsoe and signed Collison??? why
                              I think Bledsoe had too much value to be coming off the bench. They were able to flip him and acquire Reddick and Dudley

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                              • #45
                                Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
                                So Clips traded Bledsoe and signed Collison??? why
                                Because they weren't solidifying their SG position by standing pat.

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