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  • #16
    Sig wrote: View Post
    I'm glad LBF started posting more frequently again. This place was getting kinda stale with all these "safe" arguments and polite disagreements.

    What this place needs is some more douches to make the experience more enjoyable, trust me.
    Ya, I concur. Heinz wasn't cutting it on his own.
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    • #17
      LBF wrote: View Post
      Ya, I concur. Heinz wasn't cutting it on his own.
      You're reaching way too high here.

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      • #18
        As much as Wiggins is hyped up, I think my other top options are Randle and Smart (hardly surprising). I think either guy could slide in as a core piece next to JV and still easily put this team on the path to being a contender. From an intangibles perspective, the prospect of pairing Smart with JV to be the leaders of the team is very appealing.

        I'm not a big Parker fan. Maybe it's my Wiggins bias. I think he'll have to convince me with his college play that he's worth a top 3 pick. Interesting to note, since I just checked right now, nbadraft.net still has him at #2, but on draftexpress, he's listed at #6.

        Of course, I have no clue what to think if the Raps end up in the 15-20 range, which would be the low-playoff seed range. Only names I know much about that could be in that range are McAdoo and Saric. Both are somewhat intriguing. Both also probably haven't shown as much progress as hoped by now.

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        • #19
          draftexpress had Parker outside top 5 for a long time. It's a crap shoot right now anyway. A few of these guys will likely drop, some new ones will rise. As an example, I won't be surprised at all if Embiid shows good progress and goes very high in the lottery ahead of many of the current big names, he has the physical talent of an elite center prospect.

          One thing probably won't change though -- it's an impressive draft class and ~top 8 picks would all likely go top 3 in an average draft.

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          • #20
            BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
            draftexpress had Parker outside top 5 for a long time. It's a crap shoot right now anyway. Some of these guys will drop, some new ones will rise. As an example, I won't be surprised at all if Embiid shows good progress and goes very high in the lottery ahead of many of the current big names, he has the physical talent of an elite center prospect.

            One thing likely won't change though -- it's an impressive draft class and ~top 8 picks would all likely go top 3 in an average draft.
            Entirely likely. I probably haven't checked it since this past year's draft or around then.

            I don't know this Embiid kid. Looks, as you say, to have th physical aspect. NOt sure that'll be enough to get into the high lottery if it does indeed stay such a strong draft. I also agree it's a crapshoot (as drafts tend to be) and there's bound to be some guys dropping far, and probably some randoms moving up. We'll see what happens. Maybe Smart will slide and fall right into our lap even if the team doesn't tank

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            • #21
              Yeah, i'm not arguing (re draftexpress and Parker), just noting. They are low-ish on Parker. I can't even remember them having Parker in the top 3, maybe they did early in the season.

              That said, Parker being ranked at no.6 with all his hype -- kind of shows the depth of that draft.

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              • #22
                What do you all think about the Canadians in this class? (obviously other than Wiggins)

                Ennis is already rated in the top 20 and he's going to a great program in Cuse, he could turn out to be one of the better PG's come draft time.

                As for XRM, he's slipped quite a bit over the last year in terms of highschool rankings, but he's a scorer. Needs to expand/improve his offensive repertoire, like ball handling, but I could see him slipping into the draft.
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                • #23
                  Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                  You're reaching way too high here.
                  Quit going off-topic. That's my job. Just stick to your safe arguments and optimism..
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                  • #24
                    The fact that Exum COULD be available in this draft just make this draft class a whole lot deeper.

                    Exum is my fave prospect in this draft behind Wiggins. And you haven't seen him play, you're missing out. I think he's the 3rd best player in this draft just behind Wiggins and Parker.

                    As for Canadians in this draft. Do you guys think Ennis is a 1st round talent? what about Kevin Pangos?
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                    • #25
                      I'm glad someone put this thread together because outside of the general consensus that this is going to be a strong draft I would like to see what people say in particular about some of the "top 8" projected talent.

                      Wiggins is talked about a lot, so I won't go there, but what makes Randle or Parker so special? From what I can see at DraftExpress Randle is not very fundamentally sound at defense. Isn't that a big red flag for a guy who would be an 'elite' PF in the league?

                      As for Parker, DE has him at 6th. They indicate that he's gained weight and had struggle losing it. Don't like the sounds of that. Is he going to end up being a tweener like Derrick Williams? I'm always afraid of guys like that in the NBA.

                      Gordon is another name I hear a lot about.. aka Griffin 2.0. But I don't think Griffin is really that good of a player. How is Gordon at the mid-range game? Can he shoot free throws? What about his defense? The kid is only 17 and if he's a 1 and done player is he going to be sound fundamentally enough to be able to improve in the NBA? And how long will it take him to no longer have that project label attached to his name?

                      What intrigues me the most about this draft are the number of PG's that are projected at the top half of the draft. That's especially important to me as I don't see Lowry as the guy that can get us over the top. Exum looks very promising and Smart was intriguing going into the last draft. Since most teams in the league already have their PG of the future, It's nice to know that a PG might slip in the draft if Toronto does not end up in the top 8.

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                      • #26
                        Way too early to be dismissing these players based on defensive fundamentals. Dwight had very limited defensive fundamentals at that age. Anthony Davis had a year in college and he jumps at every fake. I expect the same from Nerlens Noel during the first few years. At this stage, got to judge more by physical talent and ability to move, vision, touch, character and natural instincts. We will see how they develop during their college year.

                        Re Blake Griffin, of course he is a very good player. People are just focused on his flaws because his highlights are so hyped up and on TV all the time. It was the same with Vince after the first several years.

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                        • #27
                          TRex wrote: View Post
                          The fact that Exum COULD be available in this draft just make this draft class a whole lot deeper.

                          Exum is my fave prospect in this draft behind Wiggins. And you haven't seen him play, you're missing out. I think he's the 3rd best player in this draft just behind Wiggins and Parker.

                          As for Canadians in this draft. Do you guys think Ennis is a 1st round talent? what about Kevin Pangos?
                          Ennis may be a first round talent two or three years from now. Pangos is a very good college point guard likely to play overseas.

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                          • #28
                            Pangos was touted as the next Steve Nash a few years ago
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                            • #29
                              isaacthompson wrote: View Post
                              What do you all think about the Canadians in this class? (obviously other than Wiggins)

                              Ennis is already rated in the top 20 and he's going to a great program in Cuse, he could turn out to be one of the better PG's come draft time.

                              As for XRM, he's slipped quite a bit over the last year in terms of highschool rankings, but he's a scorer. Needs to expand/improve his offensive repertoire, like ball handling, but I could see him slipping into the draft.
                              I don't think either XRM or Ennis will be one-and-dones. Both are probably in a situation where they'd get drafted a lot higher if they wait a year and enter in 2015. Only other freshmen I've been following at all are Notice and Duvuvier, and they've got a long road to go to get their value up.
                              Both Powell and Birch should go in the late first or early second. I really like Birch and think he'll find a solid role as a defensive specialist and rebounder. Powell needs more weight on his frame to play as a big in the NBA, but there's enough skill there to get a look. Ejim and Rivard are both seniors who could play their way into getting a look, but it's a long shot for either of them. Pangos and Hanlan are the other two guys who have a chance. I don't see either of them declaring for this draft.

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