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  • #76
    To be favour Steve Novak was in the same situation as Daye. Just barely staying in the league. Intill he got his shot and showed he could be a rotation player. Daye has the potential to be a better defensive version of Steve Novak. Hopefully he stays close to Novak and soap up a lot of knowlegede on being a 3 point specialist:
    @Chr1st1anL

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    • #77
      Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
      Very good points! So it's safe to say that Masai Ujiri isn't like his mentor BC in giving large contracts to people who don't deserve it?
      1 believes in low-cost gambles, while the other believes in overpaying limited talent. It's the first time Toronto has had a GM who doesn't look like he'll overpay for talent. Hopefully it works long term.

      MoscowRussia wrote: View Post
      I'd rather have a guy like Alan Anderson or Gary Neal instead of him. Don't understand what kind of ''high reward'' this signing is? jus' permanent warm bench
      Gary Neal, maybe. But Daye is an end of bench guy. Really teams shouldn't be going more than 8 or 9 deep on a regular basis. This deep into your reserves should be for cheap investments. The problem is that Casey would regularly go 10-12 players deep within the first 3 quarters of a game. That needs to change.

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      • #78
        austin daye= meh. needed a bench player and have stated want young guys who might become something and that is all this is. there is no one on this roster i can see not playing in favour of daye.

        only thing i don't understand is why not zubcic? the exact same skillset, younger and most likely cheaper.

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        • #79
          phez wrote: View Post
          gay might as well be guaranteed as well.

          like i mentioned in another post. MU said that "2 year plan" in that SN590 interview, but in reality seems more like they are def aiming for 2014 FA.
          How is Gay guaranteed? If he has a good season he is virtually GUARANTEED to opt out in order to secure a long-term deal. Making 3M less in 2014-15 is worth securing an extra 50M in the following 3 years. If you disagree with this you haven't even been paying attention to free agency at all... ever.

          Especially with lots of teams clearing cap space for 2014 free agency. Once LBJ and Melo sign, Gay becomes one of if not the most sought after UFAs on the market.

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          • #80
            Miekenstien wrote: View Post
            austin daye= meh. needed a bench player and have stated want young guys who might become something and that is all this is. there is no one on this roster i can see not playing in favour of daye.

            only thing i don't understand is why not zubcic? the exact same skillset, younger and most likely cheaper.
            Maybe Zubcic is actually not at all ready.

            Maybe his contract has a buyout which makes the cost also really unappealing for an end of bencher.

            Maybe a guy who still needs to develop doesn't think the end of an NBA bench is the best place, compared to getting better minutes in Europe.

            Also Zubcic has not done anything to really distinguish himself, so maybe the team also wants him to keep developing, because it makes no sense to bring an unprepared player over if he's not ready.

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            • #81
              Xixak wrote: View Post
              How is Gay guaranteed? If he has a good season he is virtually GUARANTEED to opt out in order to secure a long-term deal. Making 3M less in 2014-15 is worth securing an extra 50M in the following 3 years. If you disagree with this you haven't even been paying attention to free agency at all... ever.

              Especially with lots of teams clearing cap space for 2014 free agency. Once LBJ and Melo sign, Gay becomes one of if not the most sought after UFAs on the market.
              its not a secret his contract is way overvalued and im sure he/his agent knows that as well. the only question is if he is one of those players willing to take less to join a contender. i would tend to believe hed rather take the cash.

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              • #82
                phez wrote: View Post
                its not a secret his contract is way overvalued and im sure he/his agent knows that as well. the only question is if he is one of those players willing to take less to join a contender. i would tend to believe hed rather take the cash.
                but he wouldn't technically be taking less if opted out and signed a new contract. Well only for a single season.

                It can be looked at as X + 1 years guaranteed vs 1 year guaranteed.

                Its not impossible he opts in to his final year and then looks to get another contract. His final year is quite a bit of money after all. But a season can mean a career in the NBA - an injury or having an off year could drastically effect his next contract.

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                • #83
                  I'm fine with this signing... We're talking about the end of a bench. Just glad to see that we aren't paying a premium for "veteran leadership" and all that BS. Give me youth and financial flexibility, we're in no position to need more veterans.

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                  • #84
                    Did our bench get stronger, weaker or remain the same this summer? Also, does anyone think all these short contracts coming off the books at the same time mean that Masai might be targeting someone specific in free agency?

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                    • #85
                      tucas wrote: View Post
                      Lol.


                      Yes he's 25 but he's regressed almost every season
                      Yes he's 6'11 but he's also 200 lbs. this makes him the lightest "big man" in the NBA.
                      Yes he can play multiple positions, but tweeners are known for not having very much success at the nba level. He can't defend PF's and can't keep up with SF's.

                      And no he never shot more than 50% from 3 in a season, and it was not his 3rd time shooting over 40% it was his 2nd with the one other time being .401.
                      He's only made 150 3's in his 4 year career. Not much to go off of.
                      But here's the most important thing

                      His FG% was best in his rookie season, and has not been higher since, including a 32% season.
                      Nincompoop. Atleast post meaningful(and correct) facts before educating others on why this is a good signing.
                      You're evaluating him like we just gave him a 3yr/25M deal. This isn't the Fields signing. It's a ZERO risk potentially moderate reward move.

                      Stop complaining about nothing.

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                      • #86
                        phez wrote: View Post
                        its not a secret his contract is way overvalued and im sure he/his agent knows that as well. the only question is if he is one of those players willing to take less to join a contender. i would tend to believe hed rather take the cash.
                        HES NOT TAKING LESS

                        Do you not pay attention to free agency? Players ALWAYS opt out of player options unless they had a terrible season or injury the year before, or they're quite old. Even if they KNOW they're not going to make as much money the next year, it's better to lock in 4 years of guaranteed $$$ than risk injury just to make 3M extra one season.

                        Andre Iguodala was set to make 16M next year if he didn't opt out. He did so that he could get a guaranteed 48M locked up for the next 4 years. Why? What happens if he goes into 2013-14 and tears his ACL? Or regresses immensely? He'd have a hard time getting long-term money.

                        That is why LBJ, Melo, Wade and Bosh will ALL opt out next year despite being set to make 19-20M+ in salary. Please pay attention to FA before commenting on it.
                        Last edited by Xixak; Wed Jul 31, 2013, 09:57 AM.

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                        • #87
                          Mediumcore wrote: View Post
                          Did our bench get stronger, weaker or remain the same this summer? Also, does anyone think all these short contracts coming off the books at the same time mean that Masai might be targeting someone specific in free agency?
                          No it doesn't. Masai is a very shrewd GM. He doesn't get locked in on one guy and mortgage the team's future for his sake (see BC with Nash or Cuban with Dwight). He just wants to keep his options open and take advantage of the best opportunities when they come by. That is how you build a successful team.

                          You don't just throw away players because you want to tank and then get burned when you get a mid-level talent and half your roster is gone.

                          You don't get rid of guys to clear cap so you can grab one player, only to watch him sign elsewhere.

                          You don't sign average players to big deals in order to make a playoff push, only to watch that team miss the playoffs with your flexibility gone.

                          You take a cerebral, calculated approach and leave all avenues open and take advantage of the best opportunities when they arise.

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                          • #88
                            Masai Ujiri's giving Coach Casey all the possible options, no excuses coach.
                            What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
                            The city embraced me, made me feel at home. The only difference [between Compton and Toronto] for me is the cold. -DeMar
                            No Where Near the South Side #WeTheNorth

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                            • #89
                              A lot of analysis here about our new 15th man

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                              • #90
                                I like the way MU approaches the end of his bench, especially compared to BC's approach. MU has already stacked every position with young players, like he did in Denver, as opposed to filling the bench with washed-up scrubs in the name of 'veteran presence'. I wouldn't be suprised to see Q-Rich eventually traded/waived, with the 15th roster spot used to sign a young 3rd string C.

                                2013-2014 Bench
                                C: Gray, TBD
                                PF: Hansborough, Acy (22)
                                SF: Novak, Daye (25)
                                SG: Ross (22), Fields (25)
                                PG: Augustin (25), Buycks (24)

                                2012-2013 Bench
                                C: Gray
                                PF: Bargnani, Acy
                                SF: Anderson (30), Kleiza (28), Pietrus (31)
                                SG: Ross, Fields
                                PG: Lucas (30), Telfair (28)
                                Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:24 AM.

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