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  • planetmars wrote: View Post
    Pierce is better than Gay.. yes Pierce is 35 and almost done, but he's still better.
    I Disagree. Pierce is overrated at this point, Gay is better hands down. Stats may tell otherwise but Skill wise Gay is much much better as of now

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    • Rudy Gay is a top5 SF.

      Demar is a top10 SG.

      Val is a top5 C.

      Lowry is a top15 PG.

      Fair?
      The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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      • enlightenment wrote: View Post
        Rudy Gay is a top5 SF.

        Demar is a top10 SG.

        Val is a top5 C.

        Lowry is a top15 PG.

        Fair?
        This team is built to succeed. They just gotta fucking do it! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

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        • Tbh I always forget Pierce idk why.

          He was better than both George and Gay last season tbh.

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          • enlightenment wrote: View Post
            Rudy Gay is a top5 SF.

            Demar is a top10 SG.

            Val is a top5 C.

            Lowry is a top15 PG.

            Fair?
            No. Agree with DeRozan and Gay being a top 10 SG and a top 5 SF.

            JV has a chance to be a top 5 C. But he's not there yet.

            Lowry is more of a top 20 PG.
            Mamba Mentality

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            • planetmars wrote: View Post
              Pierce is better than Gay.. yes Pierce is 35 and almost done, but he's still better.
              No he's not. Pierce is more of a role player now.
              Mamba Mentality

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              • TRex wrote: View Post
                No he's not. Pierce is more of a role player now.
                Dude no.

                Pierce outscored both Gay and George
                Pierce out-assisted both Gay and George
                Pierce shot a better TS% than both Gay and George
                Pierce out-rebounded Gay
                Pierce had a lower turnover rate than both players

                There isn't much of an argument to be had here...

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                • I don't think Gay is right there below George, i think there are a few more guys in between.

                  But yep, I think Pierce has a case that he was the no.4 last year.

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                  • Xixak wrote: View Post
                    Dude no.

                    Pierce outscored both Gay and George
                    Pierce out-assisted both Gay and George
                    Pierce shot a better TS% than both Gay and George
                    Pierce out-rebounded Gay
                    Pierce had a lower turnover rate than both players

                    There isn't much of an argument to be had here...
                    There is cause Pierce is a role player. Same as Danny Green, same as Kwahi leonard. Give pierce the ball in an iso situation and he can't create as well as he used to. He was playing in very team oriented system in Boston where everyone touched the ball. He IS NOT better than Rudy Gay at this state of his career. He's always been slow footed on D and it's only going to get worse from here.

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                    • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                      There is cause Pierce is a role player. Same as Danny Green, same as Kwahi leonard. Give pierce the ball in an iso situation and he can't create as well as he used to. He was playing in very team oriented system in Boston where everyone touched the ball. He IS NOT better than Rudy Gay at this state of his career. He's always been slow footed on D and it's only going to get worse from here.
                      Last year by all accounts he was a better offensive player.

                      And dude the Celtics basically ran their offense through Pierce for half the season with Rondo out. To say he's just a role player is just silly imo.

                      To be fair though Pierce isn't really a good defender anymore because of his age, so I might give George and Rudy the edge because of that. Kinda hard to measure defense though.

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                      • It's not like Pierce is a guy like Kawhi with a 15% usage rate, only putting up open shots and putbacks.

                        His usage rate was 27% last year, which was higher than George's at 23.5% and slightly lower than Gay's at 29%

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                        • Xixak wrote: View Post
                          This is one thing I don't understand. Memphis might be better off FINANCIALLY without Gay, but they aren't better off as a team and it showed in the playoffs.

                          I mean they didn't really beat anyone. They beat LAC after losing the first 2 games largely because Blake Griffin got hurt, at which point it was basically CP3 vs. the Grizzlies defense. OKC was also missing their second best player and one of the top 10 players in the league in Westbrook.

                          When they finally played a strong, healthy team in the Spurs they got throttled. Primarily because they had nobody who could actually create a shot for themselves (Z-Bo did this in 2011 because his jumpers were falling like he was Kevin Durant, but it didn't work out this year). Marc Gasol only shot 39% from the field in the WCF, that is atrocious regardless of position but especially for a bigman. Z-Bo shot 30% and Mike Conley was at 38%. Why? Stat-heads love to emphasize shooting 3s and scoring inside over the mid-range game, but the problem with that is that teams don't give you a ton of good looks from those areas during the playoffs. If your team can't take advantage of the in-between game and score from mid-range, isos or the high post you are going to get KILLED against a good defense in the playoffs. Period end of story, not up for debate.

                          Normally Gay would have been taking and making those shots at a higher clip than the Grizzlies' "Big 3" which definitely would've helped them. Instead those shots were re-distributed to Gasol-Conley-ZBo which resulted in all three of them becoming incredibly inefficient. Basketball isn't all stats. You can't just replace a high usage mediocre efficiency guy with a low usage high efficiency guy and expect your team to become more efficient. Because those shots are going to have to be redistributed somewhere, and they're likely going to go to guys that can't make them at all.
                          Memphis has made their longest playoff runs without Gay.

                          He's had the chance to help take them further in previous seasons and didn't.

                          Mermphis was happy to get rid of him because they don't need a wing making up a stars salary without providing the return a star does (wins).

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                          • Ignoring salary, Memphis could've definitely used a shot-creating wing capable of working in isolation in short clock situations.

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                            • Stating that Pierce was a role player last season is retarded: 18,6pts 6,3 rebs 4,8asts plus he seemed like the leader on offense and was the #1 option, especialy, when a clutch shot was needed, yes he's getting older, doesnt have the same athleticism, but he's still a great all around player and probably was the third best SF last season

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                              • How can he be overrated when there isn't many good things written about him? lol overpaid but not overrated
                                You come at the King, you best not miss.

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