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planetmars wrote: View PostI don't believe in Drummond at all.. and you are right that there is only one other center like him.. but he needs to improve a lot and he had motivation issues coming out of college so will he? Alabi had a lot of potential but he's out of the league. 3+D players are not as common as you think they are. Guy can shoot or play D but not both generally... and when they can they are huge commodities since they can be put in any situation (as a starter/on the bench/or in crunch time). Plus they are gold in the playoffs.
Gasol changed his game but that was more a testament to Phil and his system. Gasol last year played poorly with Howard and was coming off the bench for D'Antoni. If you had the right system it could work, but then JV would be playing forward instead of center.. and I would rather have JV as center.
There is no proof that Ross (or Lamb if they wanted a SG) could have been had at 14. I'm sure BC was on the phone before making that pick (although it was BC and he doesn't really work a draft in terms of moving up/down). I'm not sure I agree that Ross was picked because of Nash either. I think Ross was picked because they liked him both as a person and as a player. BC is a 'character' guy.. and Ross fits that mold.
On defense, he has the speed, length and quickness to guard PFs and will eventually have a strength advantage. On offense, he is already a .400% shooter from just outside of 15ft, with excellent shooting mechanics (0.789 FT%). Again, no reason why he can't develop into a PF that can consistently hit the 18ft jump shot at .400 - .450 clip. He will also nail a few 3s this year too.
So yeah, Drummond and JV could have been an awesome front court of the future.... sigh.
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golden wrote: View PostJV shows all the signs of being able to develop into a player that can switch betweenr PF or C, like a Pau Gasol or Tim Duncan (who are both less athletic than JV).
On defense, he has the speed, length and quickness to guard PFs and will eventually have a strength advantage. On offense, he is already a .400% shooter from just outside of 15ft, with excellent shooting mechanics (0.789 FT%). Again, no reason why he can't develop into a PF that can consistently hit the 18ft jump shot at .400 - .450 clip. He will also nail a few 3s this year too.
So yeah, Drummond and JV could have been an awesome front court of the future.... sigh.
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Xixak wrote: View PostThis, I'm really not sure why people think Drummond+JV couldn't have worked. Not only couldn't it have worked, it could've been the best frontcourt in the league since Robinson and Duncan.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostI agree, I think Drummond has a long way to go before he can full fill his potential. He's not nearly as good as many people claim, but his raw athletecism combined with size gives him a huge advantage even in his current level.
I have to disagree though that he and JV couldn't be on the floor at the same time. Look how effective the Perkings/Ibaka combo was when Perkins arrived from Boston. Both guys were Centres prior to that and I would argue that Ibaka doesn't posess much of any PF skills.
I would love to see JV paired up with another imposing big. Haven't seen that in Toronto since Davis/Oakley. God, I miss watching those two rough up opposing bigs.
But still, you don't have to like or dis-like Drummond to buy into him. Just look at the numbers.
http://bkref.com/tiny/iqN9o
Only 13 centers have ever recorded a PER > 20 as a rookie in the history of the NBA. Drummond is #8 on the list and is by far the youngest. All but one guy (Ray Felix, who I never heard of), is a Hall-of-Famer, or future HoFer. So the probability is that Drummond will at least be a very, very, very good player.Last edited by golden; Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:35 AM.
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I'm on the Drummond side of the debate when it comes to Ross vs. Drummond, so I'm a fan of the kid.
I'm not a huge statistics guy, so I can't look at the PER he posted last season and put him in the same category as most of the other players that posted those type of numbers. For me it's an example why people shouldn't rely solely on stats when making decsions about players value.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostI'm on the Drummond side of the debate when it comes to Ross vs. Drummond, so I'm a fan of the kid.
I'm not a huge statistics guy, so I can't look at the PER he posted last season and put him in the same category as most of the other players that posted those type of numbers. For me it's an example why people shouldn't rely solely on stats when making decsions about players value.
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Rapstor4Life wrote: View PostIsnt Drummond injury prone? but then again so is Ross so pick your poison I guess.
I am weary of a young man who has been so big/athletic/explosive at an early age. They usually don't last very long. The fractured vertebrae has to be a little worrying for Detroit I would think.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThat is the only thing keeping me from routinely going in to a depressive state over the pick.
I am weary of a young man who has been so big/athletic/explosive at an early age. They usually don't last very long. The fractured vertebrae has to be a little worrying for Detroit I would think.
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