Vince impacted this team long after he was gone. We would've already forgotten about Bargs had it not been for new threads popping up regarding him every couple days.
If that were the case, then Bargs wouldn't get booed when he comes here.. and you know he will be.
I won't be doing it, but I know he will be.
And that being the point.. Toronto fans don't EVER forget when you've slighted them as a fanbase.
And it could be argued, and I believe this is the heart of the debate here, is that Bargnani's failure to live up to the fanbase's expectations, legit or unfounded, has set us back perhaps more than Carter ever brought us forward.
IsaacThompson got it right when he said "We would've already forgotten about Bargs had it not been for new threads popping up regarding him every couple days" and if Bargs name keeps popping up in threads here and there is proof of a legacy than thats peanuts compared to what Vince did for the team.
In no way does Carter deserve to have his jersey retired in Toronto. I acknowledge he's the best player to ever wear a uniform, but that speaks more about how crappy this franchise has been since inception.
Hall-of-famers deserve to have their jerseys retired. Carter isn't a hall-of-famer.
Eric Freeman (found here) and Zach Lowe (found here) have made some very strong cases for Vince in the HOF.
According to Basketball-Reference.com, Vince is 14th in line- out of all active players, to be inducted to the HOF, with a probability of 76.8%.
The way Carter left Toronto has a huge bearing (for me personally) on whether or not he should have his number retired. He did not leave with class.. in my opinion Jose should be near to the top of the list of retired jerseys but he didn't have much of an impact on the court.
The Raptors could do what Orlando did and put #6 in the rafters for the 'Fans' being their 'sixth man'.. lol
The list of retired jerseys can be found here:
the way i understood the question, IMO, its pretty much equal.
The disdain i felt for Bargnani pretty much equals the love i felt for Vince when he carried this Toronto team to new heights.
I think his jersey definitely needs to be retired and hung on the ACC rafters.
I dont believe Jose has accomplished enough to have his jersey retired and put up there.
VC and Bosh most definitely.
I hate when people envy Vince Carter like he's some god. You guys do know that even if we didn't have Vince, T Mac would've easily given us what Vince did?
and after the way he ditched the franchise you guy's want to retire his Jersey? Do you know how pathetic that makes our team look. All the BS about "Putting Canada on the map" doesn't have as much to do with Carter as you all think. The Raptors were already beginning to get popular after the Drafting of Mighty Mouse and T Mac. It just all came to together coincidentally when Carter got drafted. The Dunk contest and a few playoff games vs the Sixers is all i'm giving him credit for, based off that he SHOULD NOT have his jersey retired.
Till we win a championship i don't think anyone deserves to have their Jersey retired. UNLESS someone like Amir Johnson plays out the rest of their career here.
Vince Carter took the popularity of the Raptors in Toronto, and Canada for that matter, from a 4/10 to 10/10, and in doing so, not just revitalized a fanbase; he gave birth to a whole fanbase.
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