The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

[jacobdr4]

Alright so I'm bored today so I thought I would throw down my draft picks in tiers for the top 30 guys (draftexpress)

Tier 1: Superstar potential. Complete skill sets. Elite impact players
Tier 2: Potential all-star. High impact players.
Tier 3: Borderline all-stars. These guys are the league sleepers who should have solid, long careers. Moderate impact players.
Tier 4: Solid 2 way players that are inefficient in high-usage roles, but are a big plus as a defender. Bust potential low. Moderate impact players
Tier 5: Physical specimen with tons of potential or has extremely intriguing skill set. Could potentially be complete players but may also be complete busts. Major projects. "Unknowns" tier. (basically here is where I place guys I have no idea about, even though some I am very high on)
Tier 6: Specialists. One-sided players, may stick around the league for offense or defense. Impact is low. Bust potential moderate.
Tier 7: Struggles to find a spot in the league. Tweeners or majorly flawed. Bust potential high


Tier 1:
Wiggins, Embiid

Tier 2:
Parker, Exum, Vonleh,

Tier 3:
Hood, Napier, Stauskas, Ennis, Harris,

Tier 4:
Smart, Payton, Robinson III, McDaniels

Tier 5: "Unknowns"
LaVine, Gordon, Saric, Capela, Grant

Tier 6:
McDermott, Young, McGary, Adams

Tier 7:
Nurkic, Warren, Porzingis, Payne


Hard to place:
Hairston - Somewhere between tier 3 and 4.

Throw randle in the second tier as well.

[OldSkoolCool]

Payne is way better than you give him credit for. He's not a tweener at all, dude is a legit 6'10" with range and a developing post game.

I do like Payne offensively, he does have the potential to be a Milsap type player, not many players can put up 41 in college.

....but he is a poor defender at best and for me your post players need to be good defenders

[BigCamB]

I do like Payne offensively, he does have the potential to be a Milsap type player, not many players can put up 41 in college.

....but he is a poor defender at best and for me your post players need to be good defenders

Then you could throw him in tier 6 then :P surely there is a place for someone with his skills in the league, at least for 5-15 mins a night.

[yabadabayolo]

Then you could throw him in tier 6 then :P surely there is a place for someone with his skills in the league, at least for 5-15 mins a night.

Kinda like batmans position with Toronto

[OldSkoolCool]

Throw randle in the second tier as well.

LOL woops

How the hell did I miss that one....

Kinda like batmans position with Toronto

Pattman is at least a two-way guy with a quick release, allowing him to be a deadly pick n pop guy. Payne has a slower shot and is poor option as a post at the top for the dribble handoffs/passing to the next option. Things that are heavily used in NBA offenses.

Payne is an intriguing prospect, I don't think his skills will translate well to the NBA...however if someone thinks his skills will, I can't definitively say they won't. Fully opinionated on this one.

[The Great One]

Alright so I'm bored today so I thought I would throw down my draft picks in tiers for the top 30 guys (draftexpress)

Tier 1: Superstar potential. Complete skill sets. Elite impact players
Tier 2: Potential all-star. High impact players.
Tier 3: Borderline all-stars. These guys are the league sleepers who should have solid, long careers. Moderate impact players.
Tier 4: Solid 2 way players that are inefficient in high-usage roles, but are a big plus as a defender. Bust potential low. Moderate impact players
Tier 5: Physical specimen with tons of potential or has extremely intriguing skill set. Could potentially be complete players but may also be complete busts. Major projects. "Unknowns" tier. (basically here is where I place guys I have no idea about, even though some I am very high on)
Tier 6: Specialists. One-sided players, may stick around the league for offense or defense. Impact is low. Bust potential moderate.
Tier 7: Struggles to find a spot in the league. Tweeners or majorly flawed. Bust potential high


Tier 1:
Wiggins, Embiid

Tier 2:
Parker, Exum, Vonleh,

Tier 3:
Hood, Napier, Stauskas, Ennis, Harris,

Tier 4:
Smart, Payton, Robinson III, McDaniels

Tier 5: "Unknowns"
LaVine, Gordon, Saric, Capela, Grant

Tier 6:
McDermott, Young, McGary, Adams

Tier 7:
Nurkic, Warren, Porzingis, Payne


Hard to place:
Hairston - Somewhere between tier 3 and 4.

Ok i'll play.

Tier1:
Wiggins

Tier 2:
Exum, Parker, Embiid

Tier 3:
Smart, Randle, Ennis, Harris

Tier 4:
GRIII, McDaniels, Hood, J. Young

Tier 5:
LaVine, Vonleh, Gordon, Saric, Capela, Anderson, Nurkic, Inglis, Payne, Grant

Tier 6:
Stauskas, McDermott, Hairston, P. Young, Payton

Tier 7:
Napier, Early, Warren, Porzingis, Stokes

[Chr1s1anL]

The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

Really torn between Payne and Stokes

Even though Payne only makes sense if were not willing to resign 2-Pat.

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[jacobdr4]

Ok i'll play.

Tier1:
Wiggins

Tier 2:
Exum, Parker, Embiid

Tier 3:
Smart, Randle, Ennis, Harris

Tier 4:
GRIII, McDaniels, Hood, J. Young

Tier 5:
LaVine, Vonleh, Gordon, Saric, Capela, Anderson, Nurkic, Inglis, Payne, Grant

Tier 6:
Stauskas, McDermott, Hairston, P. Young, Payton

Tier 7:
Napier, Early, Warren, Porzingis, Stokes

I'd definitely disagree on your evaluation of napier. I'd say he is one of the safest picks in the draft. Will never be more than a backup but I think you know what your getting. Half decent vision and a good shooter. He will find a spot in the league.

[Chr1s1anL]

The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

Chad Fords Big Board 10.0

Guys I like.

16Adreian PayneCOLLEGE: Michigan StateHT: 6-10WT: 239POS: PF
2013-14 STATSPPG 16.4RPG 7.3BPG .9
Payne sat out the combine after discovering he has been dealing with mononucleosis. I'm not sure he had to. I saw him working out two days before in Chicago and was really impressed. Payne has been battling mono, undiagnosed, since January, making his senior season even more impressive. He's about another week away from being able to do team workouts. His measurements, 6-9½ in shoes with a 7-4 wingspan, continue to make him one of the most intriguing prospects in the draft.


17Elfrid PaytonCOLLEGE: Louisiana LafayetteHT: 6-4WT: 185POS: PG
2013-14 STATSPPG 19.2RPG 6APG 5.9
Payton surprised people by refusing to participate in the drills. Given his limited exposure, some GMs were grumbling about the decision. But they shouldn't. As his stock continues to rise, sources say some teams in the mid-first round were pushing for him not to do the drills. They'd prefer he remain a secret. His measurements and athletic testing numbers were both above average for his position. He also drew raves in his interviews. I believe Payton is the true sleeper in this draft and is being underrated by scouts. Once he gets into workouts, he will work his way into the lottery.


21Jerami GrantCOLLEGE: SyracuseHT: 6-8WT: 214POS: SF
2013-14 STATSPPG 12.1RPG 6.8APG 1.4
Grant went out there and did what he does best -- look athletic and crazy-long, and he ran his butt off. He also shot the ball fairly well, averaging 50 percent from 3. The two big things for Grant were his measurements (a 7-2½ wingspan and 8-11 standing reach, both of which gave him credibility as a power forward) and his interviews. A number of teams came away deeply impressed with his basketball IQ and knowledge of the game. He didn't do athletic testing because of a late injury, but no one needs to see the numbers to know he's a freak athlete.


29Jarnell StokesCOLLEGE: TennesseeHT: 6-9WT: 262POS: PF
2013-14 STATSPPG 15.1RPG 10.6BPG .9
Stokes showed well in the camp. He had lost a little weight, shot the ball well from 15 feet and tested a little bigger than expected (6-8½ in shoes, with a 7-1¼ wingspan). He showed that he can be explosive, measuring an impressive 36-inch vertical. His lateral quickness numbers were poor, however. Not everyone loves Stokes, but there are enough teams that do who pick in the 20s that I think he cracks the first round.

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[007]

Please do not get Stokes in the first round.

And I'd take Inglis over him at 37 if both are still available.

[WJF]

Please do not get Stokes in the first round.

And I'd take Inglis over him at 37 if both are still available.

This!

[007]

I would not take Stokes until our 59th pick, but he'll be gone by then.

[Eric Montross 00]

I would not take Stokes until our 59th pick, but he'll be gone by then.

If Stokes is not available at 59th (most likely), then I will take Patric Young at 59th

[OldSkoolCool]

Ok i'll play.

Tier1:
Wiggins

Tier 2:
Exum, Parker, Embiid

Tier 3:
Smart, Randle, Ennis, Harris

Tier 4:
GRIII, McDaniels, Hood, J. Young

Tier 5:
LaVine, Vonleh, Gordon, Saric, Capela, Anderson, Nurkic, Inglis, Payne, Grant

Tier 6:
Stauskas, McDermott, Hairston, P. Young, Payton

Tier 7:
Napier, Early, Warren, Porzingis, Stokes

Most of them I am pretty ok with but have a few questions.

Embiid in tier 2? The only thing that might hold him back is injuries. But if healthy he will be a superstar C. Talent wise is up there. But is high risk....I could easily see him going full Greg Oden on the league

Stauskas in tier 6??!! He is one of the best/most complete offensive players in college ball, and he has tested out better than expected athletically. He has shown the ability to add multiple dimensions to his game in a short amount of time. These are all great aspects and I personally can't drop him past tier 3.

Payton tier 6? Like Chad Ford, I think he is going to be a sleeper. Ability to get to the rim at will, has great size and athleticism, tenacious defender, unselfish, only lacking consistent jump shot....I think he is one of the safest picks outside of the top 10

Napier in 7? as jacobdr4 explains

I'd definitely disagree on your evaluation of napier. I'd say he is one of the safest picks in the draft. Will never be more than a backup but I think you know what your getting. Half decent vision and a good shooter. He will find a spot in the league.

Agreed. Elite handles + court vision + ability to create own shot = cheques in the NBA

[Chr1s1anL]

Jarnell Stokes will be picked in the first round


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