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Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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special1 wrote: View Post1 more rebound per game brings him into the top 10. If you really think about it, that's not a huge stretch for him to work on in the future.....just saying.
Look - you guys are the only ones saying Demar is a finished product (he is who he is, he won't get better, blah blah blah). Most fans realize he still has areas to improve on. If it makes you feel better to call him out on his weaknesses while ignoring his strengths....then have at it.
And what strengths do we ignore? He can score but is neither particularly efficient or proficient. If you aren't elite at one thing you damn well better bring more tricks to the stable.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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special1 wrote: View PostI understand your frustration. However, you should remember that Demar is paid to be a scorer. He is a shooting guard. Now some should actually start talking about others who are supposed to be rebounders......*we got one rebound in the whole 4th Quarter vs GSW*.
I can't wait for you guys to start pointing the finger at JV. You want to ship everyone else out so you can put that BIG bullseye on his back (just like you're doing with Demar).
Demar didnt cost us this game. Actually, if you watch closely you'll see that he's usually the player keeping us in these games!
The offence and defence broke and collapsed when it mattered. JV is useless at getting consistent deep positioning and is not good at setting screens (pretty basic stuff for a big guy).
FYI - Drummond had 18 rebounds and 10 points in 22 minutes in their win against Miami. JV gets 6 rebounds, 0 assists and 8 points in 26 minutes against GSW.
Hansborough can't create a shot for himself. Rudy Gay had 0 assists. Kyle had a good game, but couldn't keep track of Curry when it mattered most. Demar left Thompson open too many times and paid the price.
The blame can go around.....and from where i stand - I see a lot more blame for other players who are supposed to be better than they're playing.
I also don't put DeRozan in the same 'should trade' category as Gay/Lowry/Novak, so I'm hardly pushing for him to be shipped out, even if MU goes ahead with a tank.
However, DeRozan is paid to be a basketball player. Given his salary and role on this team, he should be expected to do a lot more than score. Right now he can't be consistently counted on to do anything but score, and his defense is often so bad that it limits the net impact of his scoring.
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Axel wrote: View PostDidn't we just have a thread discussing DD's rebounding prowess, and some people felt we were being too hard....hmmmm...who were they?
That aside, unless it's a big who has one of his primary tasks being that of rebounding, you do understand that rebounding is a team function, right? Would you have had him leaving Thompson alone more out on the 3 pt line, so he could give you the rebounds you want? Until the TEAM collapse in the fourth, and the Curry/Thompson barrage it allowed, he did a great job of containing Thompson as well as chewing up Thompson's supposed defense, but yeah, gloat over your opinion of his rebounding being justified over one game, after 16 games of being improved there too. pfffffffffffft
Matt52 wrote: View PostThe people who have zipped up their pants and gone home.
Don't worry though. Next good game by him or Raptors they'll all be back.
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special1 wrote: View Post1 more rebound per game brings him into the top 10. If you really think about it, that's not a huge stretch for him to work on in the future.....just saying.
Look - you guys are the only ones saying Demar is a finished product (he is who he is, he won't get better, blah blah blah). Most fans realize he still has areas to improve on. If it makes you feel better to call him out on his weaknesses while ignoring his strengths....then have at it.
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Axel wrote: View Post1 more isn't a lot, so why doesn't he do it? He's currently 29th. That is below average for a guard.
And what strengths do we ignore? He can score but is neither particularly efficient or proficient. If you aren't elite at one thing you damn well better bring more tricks to the stable.
Demar is 11th in rebounds per game for shooting guards. Out of 47 players he's 11th best in rebounds per game. That is a fact. No per 36 numbers just fact.
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p00ka wrote: View Postit's petty vindictiveness, bordering on pathetic, imo
Always so nice to hear from you pooka.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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special1 wrote: View Posthttp://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...hooting-guards
Demar is 11th in rebounds per game for shooting guards. Out of 47 players he's 11th best in rebounds per game. That is a fact. No per 36 numbers just fact.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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special1 wrote: View Posthttp://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...hooting-guards
Demar is 11th in rebounds per game for shooting guards. Out of 47 players he's 11th best in rebounds per game. That is a fact. No per 36 numbers just fact.
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Axel wrote: View PostNobody quoted per36 numbers. So if he's 11th in SG then that means there are 17 PGs who out rebound him. Still don't see that as a problem? His rank of 11th perhaps speaks more to the weakness of the position that they are getting out rebounded by smaller players.
The facts show that Demar is actually above average rebounding wise for a shooting guard. There are 30 teams. Demar sits 11th in rebounds per game. Perhaps this perhaps that....blah blah blah.
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p00ka wrote: View PostPer 36 numbers is what he was using? So, that 29th amongst Gs includes backups' per 36? Garbage "rank" to support narrative, pffft
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Axel wrote: View PostNobody quoted per36 numbers. So if he's 11th in SG then that means there are 17 PGs who out rebound him. Still don't see that as a problem? His rank of 11th perhaps speaks more to the weakness of the position that they are getting out rebounded by smaller players.
Instead of height being the judging factor, here's another theory: in today's NBA, there are far more driving PGs than outside shooting ones. The PGs covering them are constantly drawn into the paint, thus being in position to grab rebounds, while most SGs park themselves on the 3 pt line, drawing the SGs that cover them away from the paint. Might that be a slightly bigger factor in more PGs grabbing more rebounds than SGs, or is it about height? Damn, JV should have been eating up 3" vertical old man JO last night, not the other way around.
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Brandon wrote:Using per-game numbers to back up a claim is sophistry -- there are much more advanced stats you can use. Derozan doesn't even show up on the page when you reorder the list by RP48, a better number. Rebounding% is on BR, and Derozan is, for example, far behind Fields in this respect. Derozan might be the worst rebounder at his position in the league. He's not much for steals either. He doesn't get many extra possessions for his team.
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