so anyone still think DD/lowry are better than wall/beal?
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Last edited by ball4life; Mon May 5th, 2014 at 11:57 PM.
Ignoring Lebron vs. everybody, I consider Wall/Beal our future nemesis(es?) in the East.
I think Wall/Beal vs Lowry/Ross is a wash; that being said.. they are prolly the top 3 backcourts in the east next season
You're gonna need some parameters to measure exactly what you mean by "better".
Natural ability? Wall and Beal
Athletism? Wall and Beal
Leadership? Lowry and DD
Influencial to team success? Probably just Rondo or Wall
Lots of factors in deciding the "best", so the question can't really be answered or even properly argued.
I also think Lowry/Derozan is better than Wall/Beal at this moment. In two years time though, that's a scary combo.
I like Derozan a lot better than Beal at this point, and Lowry is nearly a wash with Wall.
I still think the Raptors beat Washington in a 7 game series. The three best teams in the East right now were all on the same side of the bracket.
Derozan - TS %: .550, 23.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.1 spg, 2.6 tov, 18.35 PER
Beal - TS %: .572, 20.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 2 tov, 19.38 PER
Lowry - TS %: .567, 21.1 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, 0.9 spg, 2.9 tov, 17.59 PER
Wall - TS %: .470, 17.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 7.2 apg, 2 spg, 2.2 tov, 17.63 PER
Beal has a slightly higher TS% and PER, but him and Derozan are fairly comparable statistically. If you just look at Beal's FG%/3PT% and compare them to Derozan's, it seems like he was far more efficient. But that simply isn't the case. Derozan's ability to get to the free throw line and convert at a 90% rate cannot be overlooked. I'd say Beal was slightly better than Derozan, but it's extremely close.
Now moving on to Lowry and Wall. They had nearly identical PER's in the first round, but Wall's TS% was absolutely atrocious. From a shooting efficiency standpoint, he was one of the worst starters in the first round of the playoffs. Wall did have significantly more assists, more steals, and less turnovers, but this does not make up for how horrible he shot. Lowry was the far better player in the first round of these playoffs.
Both back courts were very good, but I'd say Lowry/Derozan slightly outperformed Wall/Beal, at least from a statistical standpoint.
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but whatever, i kinda came to the same conclusion as you.
except that Lowry plays something close to lock down D, and steals doesn't credit him for all the offensive fouls he drew.
I think it's pretty close to a wash.
On the other hand, Wall and Beal are younger, so their future looks better. But on the other, other hand, Beal probably can't maintain the level he's playing at right now, he'll probably regress a little.
Overall I would still take beal/wall over DD/lowry considering wall is 23 and beal is only 20, which is insane.
Derozan's TS% is slightly less than Beal's, but he's also scoring over 3 points more per game. As you said though, Beal is better statisically in the other categories.
The numbers don't clearly point to either, but they do show that there is reasonable debate here.
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