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Lowry/Derozan - best backcourt in the East?
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The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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enlightenment wrote: View PostLooking at those numbers, you've actually convinced me Beal/Wall had a better playoff performance. Wall assisted way more, and doubled Lowrys steals while turning over less. The TS% is low for Wall, but everything else he does in the game is the reason why his PER is higher. Beal trumps Derozan in every category other than ppg. These numbers clearly point to Beal/Wall > Lowry/Derozan
but whatever, i kinda came to the same conclusion as you.
except that Lowry plays something close to lock down D, and steals doesn't credit him for all the offensive fouls he drew.
I think it's pretty close to a wash.
On the other hand, Wall and Beal are younger, so their future looks better. But on the other, other hand, Beal probably can't maintain the level he's playing at right now, he'll probably regress a little."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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leach11 wrote: View PostGoing off these playoffs, then yes.
Derozan - TS %: .550, 23.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.1 spg, 2.6 tov, 18.35 PER
Beal - TS %: .572, 20.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 2 tov, 19.38 PER
Lowry - TS %: .567, 21.1 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, 0.9 spg, 2.9 tov, 17.59 PER
Wall - TS %: .470, 17.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 7.2 apg, 2 spg, 2.2 tov, 17.63 PER
Beal has a slightly higher TS% and PER, but him and Derozan are fairly comparable statistically. If you just look at Beal's FG%/3PT% and compare them to Derozan's, it seems like he was far more efficient. But that simply isn't the case. Derozan's ability to get to the free throw line and convert at a 90% rate cannot be overlooked. I'd say Beal was slightly better than Derozan, but it's extremely close.
Now moving on to Lowry and Wall. They had nearly identical PER's in the first round, but Wall's TS% was absolutely atrocious. From a shooting efficiency standpoint, he was one of the worst starters in the first round of the playoffs. Wall did have significantly more assists, more steals, and less turnovers, but this does not make up for how horrible he shot. Lowry was the far better player in the first round of these playoffs.
Both back courts were very good, but I'd say Lowry/Derozan slightly outperformed Wall/Beal, at least from a statistical standpoint.
Overall I would still take beal/wall over DD/lowry considering wall is 23 and beal is only 20, which is insane.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostLooking at those numbers, you've actually convinced me Beal/Wall had a better playoff performance. Wall assisted way more, and doubled Lowrys steals while turning over less. The TS% is low for Wall, but everything else he does in the game is the reason why his PER is higher. Beal trumps Derozan in every category other than ppg. These numbers clearly point to Beal/Wall > Lowry/Derozan
Derozan's TS% is slightly less than Beal's, but he's also scoring over 3 points more per game. As you said though, Beal is better statisically in the other categories.
The numbers don't clearly point to either, but they do show that there is reasonable debate here.
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iblastoff wrote: View PostIn terms of efficiency, you also have to take into consideration we played brooklyn who are in top 10 WORST defense while Washington played Chicago who are the top defensive team in the entire league.
Overall I would still take beal/wall over DD/lowry considering wall is 23 and beal is only 20, which is insane.
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iblastoff wrote: View PostIn terms of efficiency, you also have to take into consideration we played brooklyn who are in top 10 WORST defense while Washington played Chicago who are the top defensive team in the entire league.
Overall I would still take beal/wall over DD/lowry considering wall is 23 and beal is only 20, which is insane.
The make up of the rest of the team becomes the decisive factor.The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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iblastoff wrote: View Postso anyone still think DD/lowry are better than wall/beal?
I think this question can be properly answered within the first 20-25 games next year (assuming Lowry returns).Twitter - @thekid_it
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ebrian wrote: View PostWhy so much focus on backcourt? If the last 20 years are any indication, great backcourts don't win championships unless one of them is named either Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant.
Frontcourt is where it's at.
Even the Dallas team that won the Championship 3 years ago had a great backourt. Jason Kidd and Jason Terry.
You need to have a great backcourt if you want to win in this league.Mamba Mentality
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TRex wrote: View PostUmm. Dwyane Wade/LeBron James? Paul Pierce/Ray Allen/Rajon Rondo? Manu Ginobili/Tony Parker?
Even the Dallas team that won the Championship 3 years ago had a great backourt. Jason Kidd and Jason Terry.
You need to have a great backcourt if you want to win in this league.
First lebron James is lebron James no argument
Pierce played sf Allen was good while rondo is mad overrated, they also had Garnett
Parker and ginobli had Duncan but they are still solid as fuck
Dallas had a way past prime Jason Kidd and terry. Who by the way came off the bench, plus they had disco dirk, the guy bargs was supposto beI'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson
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