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  • #16
    BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    On the other hand, Lance Stephenson is young and unrestricted. I imagine lots of teams will go after him. Lakers, Mavs, possibly the Bulls, the list goes on. But it's worth trying. He's more of a SG but he has more than enough bulk to play and defend both positions. DeMar/Stephenson/Ross could potentially be an awesome wing rotation
    I really like Lance and would love to see him on the Raps...however I don't think he leaves Indiana. Best thing to ever happen to him was to be drafted to them.

    salmon wrote: View Post
    I don't see Hayward as an upgrade at all, and even stats bear that out. They have virtually equal stats, while DD is the focus of every team's defense. Hell, they not only put there best perimeter defender on him, but constantly double team him as well.

    I don't get how DeMar keeps being under appreciated in some circles. Here's a little tidbit: everyone talks of Harden being a superstar, yet also saying we need better than DeMar. This year, DeMar's stats are virtually identical to Harden's, who also happens to think DeMar belongs in the all star game. Oh well, grass is always greener.....
    1) So does Hayward. Although I agree the team doesn't get too much better with Hayward vs DD.

    2) Harden is doing everything DD is and some, while being much more efficient at it. So no, they are not virtually identical. Also the style of play that Harden plays. Harden is a better passer and creator, a way better shooter, better at getting to the line. Harden can destroy the PnR and wreck a team's defensive strategy. For DD, teams just ICE the side PnR and force DD to take a mid range jump shot, which he doesn't shoot very well, nor can he break it because his handles aren't very good. There is a world of difference between the two players.

    Honestly I am of the belief that removing DD from this Raptors team doesn't make us any worse (or better either), he is an empty player IMO. This injury is going to prove or disprove this. If he is as good as you think he is, then this team should be absolutely devastated by him not being on the court (also remember that he is being replaced by Novak...)

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    • #17
      OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
      I really like Lance and would love to see him on the Raps...however I don't think he leaves Indiana. Best thing to ever happen to him was to be drafted to them.



      1) So does Hayward. Although I agree the team doesn't get too much better with Hayward vs DD.

      2) Harden is doing everything DD is and some, while being much more efficient at it. So no, they are not virtually identical. Also the style of play that Harden plays. Harden is a better passer and creator, a way better shooter, better at getting to the line. Harden can destroy the PnR and wreck a team's defensive strategy. For DD, teams just ICE the side PnR and force DD to take a mid range jump shot, which he doesn't shoot very well, nor can he break it because his handles aren't very good. There is a world of difference between the two players.

      Honestly I am of the belief that removing DD from this Raptors team doesn't make us any worse (or better either), he is an empty player IMO. This injury is going to prove or disprove this. If he is as good as you think he is, then this team should be absolutely devastated by him not being on the court (also remember that he is being replaced by Novak...)
      Harden is 5th in the league at 1.47 points per shot. DeROzan is tied for 71st at 1.21 (which is an increase from about 10 games ago - keep it going!).

      I am of the same belief. I don't think DeROzan makes team better or worse. We'll see. I'd like to be wrong though, it only helps his value if he is traded and if he is kept, well, it would be nice to know he is important after all.

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      • #18
        DanH wrote: View Post
        You are missing:

        Austin Daye: $1.063M (250k guaranteed)
        Roster slot holds for your minimum and "if only 1st" and "if only first and Johnson" cases.

        Assuming Johnson stays (because it would be crazy to waive him just to save 2M and have 5M of dead weight on the cap), all numbers assuming Lowry walks / eats into the cap space when signed:

        Minimum (with draft pick): $44.853M
        With TH; Patterson and GV on QO's: $53.180M

        Cap projects to 62.9M right now.
        I didn't realize Daye had any guaranteed money for next season. Lucky us! lol

        Thanks for the update


        It will be interesting to see if any moves are made this year (before deadline or at/after draft), specifically with Novak, Hansborough and Salmons.

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        • #19
          Trade away Hansbrough either at the deadline or in the summer.
          It's not that he is bad or anything, but he won't get too many minutes behind JV, Amir and Patterson.
          He also has a team-friendly contract and could maybe net a young asset in the rough.

          Get someone who is a little risk with the first round pick, and with the 2nd rounder from Sacremento (projected from 30 to 36), we can possibly get a steal in this draft.

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          • #20
            Hands-Bro has definitely become expendable. PG is basically the only position I'm happy with depth wise right now. Jonas will become a quality starter, Amir is better off as a first big off the bench as is 2Pat. Ross, the jury's still out, but I still see him as no more than a 5th best starter on a title team.

            The biggest issue we need to address is a better wing player. Whether it upgrades Derozan or T Ross, we need THAT guy still, which Rudy Gay never was and never should have been.
            9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum

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            • #21
              KeonClark wrote: View Post
              The biggest issue we need to address is a better wing player. Whether it upgrades Derozan or T Ross, we need THAT guy still, which Rudy Gay never was and never should have been.
              I'm not sure if we need "that guy" to be a wing anymore. I think we will be better suited to win long term if we had another good wing defender who can stretch the floor and have a dominant post presence. That way when the D is tight on the perimeter we can just dump it into the paint and get some easy buckets

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              • #22
                Reality is the Raptors are not very deep right now so they need help everywhere.
                Not sure about the depth part. They have serviceable backups at the PG, PF and wing spots in Patterson, Vazquez, and Salmons. Even if you assume the latter 2 won't be back, it won't be rocket science to replace them. They have a couple picks and can sign low-hanging fruit to fill out the roster. But if their focus is the balance of your post I will be extremely disappointed.

                Seems to me that the issue here is still the question of whether there is enough elite talent on board. I'd love to see the focus being on brining in a tier one player alongside the majority of what they currently have.

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                • #23
                  slaw wrote: View Post
                  Not sure about the depth part. They have serviceable backups at the PG, PF and wing spots in Patterson, Vazquez, and Salmons. Even if you assume the latter 2 won't be back, it won't be rocket science to replace them. They have a couple picks and can sign low-hanging fruit to fill out the roster. But if their focus is the balance of your post I will be extremely disappointed.

                  Seems to me that the issue here is still the question of whether there is enough elite talent on board. I'd love to see the focus being on brining in a tier one player alongside the majority of what they currently have.
                  If Lowry goes down to injuries, Raps are screwed at PG. Even if Vasquez goes down **shudder**

                  With DeRozan down, we're seeing team is not very deep. Novak? Fields? Daye?

                  Hansbrough is injured and we're seeing a lot more of Hayes than a team should.

                  There is no true backup C. Hayes is the closest but I have an issue calling a 6'6" guy a C.


                  I disagree on depth it is why I'm all for cheaper value contracts at this time.

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                  • #24
                    Let's just imagine that Ujiri, in some kind of way, is able to trade
                    Salmons' contract to OKC for Perkins and Lamb, without giving up this year's first round draft pick (other picks from this year and upcoming draft could be traded in this deal)

                    Valanciunas/Hansbrough/Perkins
                    Johnson/Patterson/Hayes
                    DeRozan/Rookie/Novak
                    Ross/Lamb/Fields
                    Lowry/Vasquez/Rookie

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                    • #25
                      charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
                      Let's just imagine that Ujiri, in some kind of way, is able to trade
                      Salmons' contract to OKC for Perkins and Lamb, without giving up this year's first round draft pick (other picks from this year and upcoming draft could be traded in this deal)

                      Valanciunas/Hansbrough/Perkins
                      Johnson/Patterson/Hayes
                      DeRozan/Rookie/Novak
                      Ross/Lamb/Fields
                      Lowry/Vasquez/Rookie
                      Salmons for Perkins AND Lamb? My goodness, there is no chance in hell that happens. Couldn't get one of them, let alone both. Especially Lamb...

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                      • #26
                        I wouldn't trade a rusty nail for Perkins.
                        I think Hayward would be a very slight upgrade to DeRozan on this team, on other teams he'd be a major upgrade. Better defensive player, better three point shooter, better passer. But he's struggled shooting wise being the #1 option in Utah with the defenses keyed on him. Hayward would be an awesome third option on a great team, but the raptors are not that. It's unlikely to happen anyways so whatever!!


                        4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
                        I wouldn't trade for Perkins if they paid me 100million!
                        hmmm....tempting...
                        Last edited by BigCamB; Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:35 AM.

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                        • #27
                          I wouldn't trade for Perkins if they paid me 100million!
                          "Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed

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                          • #28
                            Hayward has had some historically horrendous games this season, he's on a very bad team, he's not even close to DeMar. Some of you guys...One of the 2 has the responsibility to make important plays at the end of games the other is on a team where his sole responsibility is to learn...

                            First the Raps need to clean up the end of the bench. One of Buycks, or the other one have to be waved, the tall skinny guy should be shipped, that 3 point specialist probably needs to go, and the overpaid nerve-pinched wing who I like but is vastly overpaid needs to be moved.

                            After that, replace said poor players with mediocre - to - good players, and most importantly allow JV, and Ross to develop. The Raps could potentially get more for less from those two than any of the available upcoming free agents. That's where the biggest upgrade is going to be made -- with JV and 3Ross's growth.

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                            • #29
                              Alright, the way the Raptors are going to improve/upgrade:

                              Internal growth: another Summer for Terrence Ross, JV, & DeRozan. Alll 3 guys have improved compared to the seasons before now.

                              Draft: Raptors have a couple picks I believe, including the 1st rounder in this upcoming draft, which I think should go towards either the point guard spot (even if both Lowry/Vasquez are retained) or the small forward spot (lack of serious depth).

                              Free agency: Pick up Ppatt's option, re-sign Lowry & Vasquez (or pick up GV's option, whatever it is), and look for those positional players like Sefolosha, etc.

                              Trade: Fields and Hansbrough might be assets (I hope Hansbrough stays though).
                              Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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                              • #30
                                blackjitsu wrote: View Post
                                Hayward has had some historically horrendous games this season, he's on a very bad team, he's not even close to DeMar.
                                In your opinion. I disagree, so does USA basketball.

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