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  • #31
    Dose of reality.

    Don't get me wrong, I love watching this team and I think the writer is over-exaggerating, but the chasm between the Raptors and Pacers/Heat, and the top 5 or 6 teams in the West, is significant.

    That being said, Portland might be the best 3 seed in a long ass time.

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    • #32
      GLF wrote: View Post
      Completely forgot about that lol. But it's sad because their guys are stepping up while our guys only play like one or two good quarters and expect to win consistently. Thibs is definitely a huge part of their success but I just think we shouldn't be letting Chicago outplay us. They just seem hungrier right now. You can tell from the game we played them. They came out to win. We look like we think we can just ease our way into wins and ease our way into the playoffs. This is the time we have to be playing our best ball. That's one of the reasons why I'm not keen on us playing crappy teams to end off the season. It will just cause us to get into bad habits since we love to play down to our opponents. We'll most likely still win but it's not the kind of habits you want to be getting into going to the playoffs. I'll cut us some slack though mainly because we have two second year players starting and one of them is playing like shit right now. Most of those other teams don't have that.
      It was said in an earlier comment, but the difference between us and Chicago is very simple. They have a WAY WAY WAY better coach than us. So, injuries happen, new guys get plugged in and they keep on going. Thibs is flat out awesome. Noah as a leader doesnt hurt either .. but Thibs is in a total other league vs Casey

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      • #33
        Chicago just has that system. I would say it's the coaching, that defense of Thibs. It's too bad they haven't had a healthy squad since, and it's too bad that the management never made any efforts to improve their team, add pieces, and not just depend on DRose. They were the # 2 team in the East, now they slipped to mid pack and are now overtaken by division rivals Indiana.

        They remind me of the 90s Knicks who were always in the playoffs with their tenacious D but couldn't get past Jordan then later Hakeem and Reggie. If they probably had Masai or any other competent GM, they would have already stopped Miami from winning and might have won a championship.

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        • #34
          GLF wrote: View Post
          Completely forgot about that lol. But it's sad because their guys are stepping up while our guys only play like one or two good quarters and expect to win consistently. Thibs is definitely a huge part of their success but I just think we shouldn't be letting Chicago outplay us. They just seem hungrier right now. You can tell from the game we played them. They came out to win. We look like we think we can just ease our way into wins and ease our way into the playoffs. This is the time we have to be playing our best ball. That's one of the reasons why I'm not keen on us playing crappy teams to end off the season. It will just cause us to get into bad habits since we love to play down to our opponents. We'll most likely still win but it's not the kind of habits you want to be getting into going to the playoffs. I'll cut us some slack though mainly because we have two second year players starting and one of them is playing like shit right now. Most of those other teams don't have that.
          That's where experience shows. Chicago is a team full of vets. They've been there, done that. This team is way too young and inconsistent. There haven't been a game where everyone played great. There's always someone who had bad shooting night or wasn't focused. Zero playoff experience. This is why it's important. Also we have 2 sophs that are too green LOL.
          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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          • #35
            mountio wrote: View Post
            It was said in an earlier comment, but the difference between us and Chicago is very simple. They have a WAY WAY WAY better coach than us. So, injuries happen, new guys get plugged in and they keep on going. Thibs is flat out awesome. Noah as a leader doesnt hurt either .. but Thibs is in a total other league vs Casey
            This is true. Thibs is just crazy good. Because they definitely don't have more talent than us at the moment.
            I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.

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            • #36
              Yeah, Thibs knows how to bring out the best in his players. He has made guys like Butler, Noah, and Gibson into star calibre players.

              Even then, we split this season's matchup with Chicago (2-2), but given our schedule, I think that the Raptors should be able to hold onto the 3rd seed. Chicago isn't going anywhere now, though. They are playing incredibly well, and I think that Jimmer is going to have a much better season with the Bulls and really emerge as the quality player he was expected to be when he came out of byu.
              I know this may be a bit controversial but I think the Raptors have proven that they're the best team in the NBA from Canada
              -random Facebook user. 2016

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              • #37
                At any rate, they'd be the worst 3rd seed since the 06-07 team... lol.

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                • #38
                  Understandably, poor past showings have not earned Toronto much respect. This team however is legitimate and will certainly pose difficulty in the play offs. In fact I'd go as far as saying that this team is the best of all Toronto teams ever (not talent wise but Chemistry wise), including the VC led team that went to the Eastern Conference finals. No guarantees but I will not be surprised if they knock out some good teams and go deep in the play offs.
                  Attitude Is A Choice.

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                  • #39
                    Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
                    Understandably, poor past showings have not earned Toronto much respect. This team however is legitimate and will certainly pose difficulty in the play offs. In fact I'd go as far as saying that this team is the best of all Toronto teams ever (not talent wise but Chemistry wise), including the VC led team that went to the Eastern Conference finals. No guarantees but I will not be surprised if they knock out some good teams and go deep in the play offs.
                    They lost in the 2nd round. Anyway, I think the VC one was better, but hopefully you are right. Different times, though. IMO, Indiana and Miami are both much better than any East teams in that 99-03 period in between Jordan and Pistons.

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                    • #40
                      Of course its a dose of reality, this is like the 2006 season all over again with some of the Raptors "homer" fans dancing for joy of getting to play the New Jersey nets because they thought they were good enough to beat Vince Carter and his gang. Right now its the same thing with some Raptor fans thinking that they can for sure beat certain playoff match ups, which is again overconfident mistake of this team and its true ability.

                      The reality is that any team headed into the playoffs that will be facing the Raptors has a very good chance of beating the Raptors because there really won't be a big advantage out there between the sixth seed and the third seed.

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                      • #41
                        Hotshot wrote: View Post
                        Of course its a dose of reality, this is like the 2006 season all over again with some of the Raptors "homer" fans dancing for joy of getting to play the New Jersey nets because they thought they were good enough to beat Vince Carter and his gang. Right now its the same thing with some Raptor fans thinking that they can for sure beat certain playoff match ups, which is again overconfident mistake of this team and its true ability.

                        The reality is that any team headed into the playoffs that will be facing the Raptors has a very good chance of beating the Raptors because there really won't be a big advantage out there between the sixth seed and the third seed.
                        Exactly! I love to see the confidence most people seem to have in this team but it kind of shocks me lol. We have a team that has very little playoffs experience, we rely heavily on two sophomores (and one is playing really bad at the moment), and we play VERY inconsistently throughout a game. We also don't have a good record against teams 500 and over and we lose more than we win when we play games that are 5 points or less with about 3 minutes or so to go. There's a stat that I read on twitter that proves these things but I can't remember who tweeted it. Anyway, those are not good recipes for success come playoff time. It's all understandable because we are a young growing team but I think people are a little too overconfident about the Raps getting out of the first round. I won't say they can't but it's not as likely as some think, no matter who we face.
                        I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.

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                        • #42
                          Your unrivaled negativity makes it seem like people are more optimistic than they actually are. Pretty sure most Raptors fans know it'll be a tough series no matter who they face in the first round.

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                          • #43
                            GLF wrote: View Post
                            Exactly! I love to see the confidence most people seem to have in this team but it kind of shocks me lol. We have a team that has very little playoffs experience, we rely heavily on two sophomores (and one is playing really bad at the moment), and we play VERY inconsistently throughout a game. We also don't have a good record against teams 500 and over and we lose more than we win when we play games that are 5 points or less with about 3 minutes or so to go. There's a stat that I read on twitter that proves these things but I can't remember who tweeted it. Anyway, those are not good recipes for success come playoff time. It's all understandable because we are a young growing team but I think people are a little too overconfident about the Raps getting out of the first round. I won't say they can't but it's not as likely as some think, no matter who we face.
                            LOL bro you're acting like we're playing in Western Conference. Who is our competition? Washington is 9-18 against + .500 teams. Bulls are 10-15. Brooklyn is 10-18. We are 11-17. Yes it's true we are 2-5 when game is decided by 3 points or less but we are 18-5 when its decided by 10. Chicago is 16-14 when decided by 10. Was is 11-11 and Brooklyn is 10-17. Reality is everyone sucks in the East LOL
                            Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                            • #44
                              BigCamB wrote: View Post
                              Your unrivaled negativity makes it seem like people are more optimistic than they actually are. Pretty sure most Raptors fans know it'll be a tough series no matter who they face in the first round.
                              seriously. the dude makes it seem like everyone here EXCEPT HIM thinks this current raptors lineup is going to win the championship or something.

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                              • #45
                                BigCamB wrote: View Post
                                Your unrivaled negativity makes it seem like people are more optimistic than they actually are. Pretty sure most Raptors fans know it'll be a tough series no matter who they face in the first round.
                                The sad reality is that the average Raptor fan is always more optimistic and thinks that they are better then they actually are because they are the casual fan who just watch the game on television from time to time or attends a game or two and doesn't follow or cares too much about statistics or analytics like more passionate hardcore fans (ergo the thinking we have a winning record so we obviously on our way to bigger and better things down the road right is not always right). This is the main reason why Colangelo was able to stick around for 7 long years and kept selling the idea that next year will be better and most fans did drink the koolaid which is why he lasted so long.

                                If the Raptors want to be a winning and competitive playoff team for years to come then this team will need a major face lift in the next year or so.
                                Last edited by Hotshot; Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:14 PM.

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