For example, I don't expect Deng to randomly become a very good 3 point shooter if he were to come to the Raptors. One of the main reasons to replace DD would be to bring in 3 point shooting, so Deng would not be the best idea...
So please stop, you "clown"
Re salaries, I might be missing someone or something then, I guess. Here's what I see:
DeMar - 9.5
Amir - 7
Novak - 3.5
Jonas - 3.7
Ross - 2.8
Stretched players in that scenario: Fields - 2.1, Hayes - 2
Other payments: Salmons - 1, Hansbrough - 1, Camby - 0.7
1st pick - 1.2
5 roster cap holds - 2.5
In total 37 mil, with cap likely close to 63 mil.
GSW are looking for a 4 who draws fouls. They wanted Amir but Psycho-t for Barnes.
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It says you've been here for 2 months. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for posters that have been here for years keeping this site relevant. I know I wouldn't. I don't know who you think you are telling someone they are the worst poster here. Are you delusional enough to think you speak for everyone here?
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This is going to be long...but imanshumpert I want you to look at how "logical" your arguments are. I will paraphrase so things dont end up un-readable
Starting about page 3 when I entered.
QUOTE=OldSkoolCool;320851]What does the points that he brought up have to do with any trade? He does hold the ball and kill the flow quite often, there is no stat that will prove or deny this. Defensively he is not very good, defensive metrics are poor at best. Your over-reliance on stats to justify things is astonishing, especially when regarding DD. Stats are imperfect.[/QUOTE]
Defensive stats are not that good (because they really aren't)
You are off to a great start
Again, defensive stats are not that reliable
I call you stubborn because you really haven't said anything yet
Backhanded attack, rather than supporting your case, you redirect the argument by undermining the poster.
Leaving Waiters out of it at this point because we hashed this out a lot and we have agreed that we have differing opinions. (because you didn't listen to my argument, and only repeat TS%!, TS%!!, TS%!!!, no matter what I say about how I think his skill set will be better in a team concept than DD's)
I think that is all...
You liked that post btw.Man DeRozan is really disliked around here...
Trade DeRozan for 15th pick and bad contracts.
Trade DeRozan for Dion Waiters and his 50% TS
Trade DeRozan for Deng (30 next season) who will cost 8 figures a season to re-sign
Thank God some of you aren't the GM of this team. Cleveland would laugh all the way to the bank if we offered them DeRozan for Deng. For all the complaining that people do about DeRozan's inefficiency. He's actually more efficient than Deng (53.0% TS compared to 51.7%) at much higher volume (18FGA to 14FGA and 23ppg compared to 15ppg). Not to mention DD is 5 years younger and on a cheaper deal than what it'll cost to sign Deng.
It's not just this season either, Deng has never been particularly efficient, despite the fact that he's been in a role player role his whole career. Has a career TS% of 52.6% (which coincidentally is the same as DeRozan's). It should be pretty telling that the Bulls actually got better when he was traded. Unlike DeRozan, he doesn't draw double teams and opposing defences don't game plan for him, so he doesn't really benefit the team offensively. He also isn't a good passer at all.
So... on topic --- no I wouldn't trade DeRozan for Deng, nor would I sign Deng even if we had the cap space. The only high-price wing player (obviously LBJ and Melo are not happening) I'd even dare to spend money on this offseason is Gordon Hayward. Might be able to get a bargain on him due to him having a down shooting season, and I'd expect his efficiency to ratchet back up as the 3rd or 4th option on our team as opposed to 1st in Utah.
EDIT: Oh right and this one...
Last edited by imanshumpert; Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 04:10 PM.
bleacher report prediction has us signing Deng and also Kyle Lowry
Luol Deng, Cleveland Cavaliers: Signs with Toronto Raptors for three years, $33 million.
Deng may want a fourth year or perhaps even a little more per season, but the market might not be so receptive to that. At least in Toronto, he'd join a promising young playoff team with a desperate need for someone of his capabilities. Cleveland will likely go after Deng as well, but there's no question which franchise is in better shape. This would be a nice fit both ways.I like their Kyle Lowry prediction, but do not like the Deng one. I just hope Masai isn't like Colangelo taste for Paisanos,(putting higher emphasis on picking up some African nationals because he also came from there as opposed to being more objective to what's best for the team)Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors: Re-signs with Toronto Raptors for three years, $30 million.
After it looked like Lowry was surely going to be in a different uniform next season, he's suddenly proven himself invaluable to what Toronto has in place. While it's possible GM Masai Ujiri ultimately does decide to rebuild, it seems much more likely he'll build off this current core and keep Lowry around. This deal seems fair from both sides, especially since so few teams around the league are in need of a starting point guard.
If we do sign Deng it better be a 1 year deal or 2 year with team option or something...
Really don't want him long-term at all and it SCREAMS treadmill.
With Deng and MU both having strong ties to Africa its easy for people to believe a connection will occur. But I agree with the last few posts here.. Deng is not what the Raptors should be pursuing. If he wants to come to the team and take the mid-level that's fine.. but even then it should be a short term deal.
But if you can get both of them at 3/63 combined, I guess that's fine. Both Deng and Lowry should be very movable at that salary. And it still leaves near-max in 2015 free agency, depending on who else they sign.
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