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Game 2: Brooklyn Nets 95 - Toronto Raptors 100 (Series Tied 1-1)
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Axel wrote: View PostDisagree.
Hansbrough not a good player? What's not good about a high motor big who gets offensive rebounds and free throws at a high rate, while being a physical player? He also has the most playoff experience of anyone on the roster.
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Axel wrote: View PostDisagree.
Hansbrough not a good player? What's not good about a high motor big who gets offensive rebounds and free throws at a high rate, while being a physical player? He also has the most playoff experience of anyone on the roster.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostHansbrough has good qualities, but with a tight playoff rotation, I'd rather give those minutes to any of Amir, Jonas or Patterson.
Game 1 saw 6 minutes for Chuck Hayes.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostI do love watching Hansbrough, but he looks better than he is. He can't avoid contact (ends up shooting FT's where others would have made the basket or would be shooting an and1), and is often a black hole (went almost 4 months without a multiple assist game).
Hansbrough has a Free Throw Rate of .944 (that's the # of FTA per FGA). Next highest on the Raps, Demar at .448. JV is the next big at .385. The next highest NBA player, with more than 900 MP this season, is Dwight Howard at .798. In an every possession counts series, Hansbrough is a great player to have.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostI'm not advocating that Hansbrough start or take significant minutes, but there were times in Game 2 that JV and/or Amir looked tired. 2 minutes of Hansbrough in that situation = 2 minutes of rest for JV/Amir and 2 minutes of hell for the Nets front-court. JV played 35 mins in game 2, a feat he only did 10 times all season long. It's hard for a big guy to go from 28 per game (both JV and Amir's season avg) to 35 per game and still be as affective, especially in a physical playoff series. A few minutes here or there to spell each of our 3 main bigs makes sense.
Game 1 saw 6 minutes for Chuck Hayes.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostWhile I'm happy that Hayes & Hansbrough aren't getting significant minutes, I agree that there are times when fresh legs would be better than dead legs. One example was Valanciunas playing the entire 1st quarter, where he was clearly tired and it cost the team a few rebounds/points. I don't want players beyond the core-8 (including Fields over Salmons) getting much playing time, but the odd minute for Hayes, Hansbrough or Salmons could be beneficial.
I can't remember which quarter it was, but there was the time that Plumlee grabbed the offensive board with about 2:33 left to play. Plumlee only got there because JV was gassed and couldn't. That there is the perfect time for 2+ mins of Hansbrough. Do that for 3 of the 4 quarters, and there is about 6 minutes right there that could allow more rest for our starters (doubled up with the quarter break)Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostNot sure if there is any truth to the and-1 vs 2 FTA theory, but fairly confident that you don't either, so that's irrelevant. Hansbrough draws fouls at an elite rate, in tight playoff games, getting the other team into penalty or their players into foul trouble is a huge plus. Tyler is the best of our bigs at doing that. That's on top of everything else he brings to the table. He should be getting about 8-9 minutes a night.
Hansbrough has a Free Throw Rate of .944 (that's the # of FTA per FGA). Next highest on the Raps, Demar at .448. JV is the next big at .385. The next highest NBA player, with more than 900 MP this season, is Dwight Howard at .798. In an every possession counts series, Hansbrough is a great player to have.
My problem isn't with his offense, though it is ugly and only somewhat effective. He's just entirely terrible defensively. I can live with him providing a few minutes if all the bigs are exhausted, but I'd much rather up Patterson's 24 minutes to take some of the load off Amir and JV than introduce the lesser Hansbrough.
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Axel wrote: View PostI'm very concerned with the turnovers. 2 games and the Raps have their 3rd and 8th highest turnover-games of the season.
Going into Brooklyn, the Raps need to take better care of the ball. We can't give away so many freebies.
I also don't like the idea of becoming an iso-Demar offence down the stretch. He hit his shots last night, but that is a dangerous way to play.Mamba Mentality
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Axel wrote: View PostDisagree on Hayes (don't see what he really brings to the table at this point). Salmons would only be worth it if Fields isn't getting any burn for some reason.
I can't remember which quarter it was, but there was the time that Plumlee grabbed the offensive board with about 2:33 left to play. Plumlee only got there because JV was gassed and couldn't. That there is the perfect time for 2+ mins of Hansbrough. Do that for 3 of the 4 quarters, and there is about 6 minutes right there that could allow more rest for our starters (doubled up with the quarter break)
That play you mentioned was exactly the one I had in mind, but there were a few other missed rebounds and fumbled rebounds/passes around that same time. Not only does it give the key player a bit more rest, but it improves the on-court performance of the team and avoids ticky-tack fouls that tired players often get called for. Again, it's maybe 2-5 minutes throughout the game, against backup players, in non-critical moments.
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Axel wrote: View PostI can't remember which quarter it was, but there was the time that Plumlee grabbed the offensive board with about 2:33 left to play. Plumlee only got there because JV was gassed and couldn't. That there is the perfect time for 2+ mins of Hansbrough. Do that for 3 of the 4 quarters, and there is about 6 minutes right there that could allow more rest for our starters (doubled up with the quarter break)
JV getting gassed (or in foul trouble) too early could hurt us down the stretch too. We really need him in the second half of games
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We need to give Patterson more minutes. Not this Hansbrough/Hayes garbage. Patterson can handle 30 minutes. There's your 6 minutes of rest for Amir/Jonas right there.
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DanH wrote: View PostFTA/FGA can be skewed. Hansbrough gets fouled a lot, as you say, but he never converts those FGA's - so they don't count as FGA's. As such, his FTA/FGA skyrockets.
My problem isn't with his offense, though it is ugly and only somewhat effective. He's just entirely terrible defensively. I can live with him providing a few minutes if all the bigs are exhausted, but I'd much rather up Patterson's 24 minutes to take some of the load off Amir and JV than introduce the lesser Hansbrough.
I have no problem giving Patterson a few more minutes, say closer to 30, in fact, I've already said that I think he should start over Amir at this point. But JV is averaging 7 more minutes per game in the playoffs, and people thought he looked gassed in the regular season. Too much of a drastic change for a young big experiencing the playoffs for the first time.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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