Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
Hope you're wrong.
Philly is doing well enough. The draft strategy is bang on for them, they didn't really have better options. Tank, get high picks, hope a couple of them pan out, and build around them. But it's also always hard to build out of the bottom of the league. We'll see where they are in 3-4 years when they have to start deciding on extensions and what they're building toward. Tanking is a strategy that doesn't work more often than it does, as in many teams try the "lose and build up an asset base" strategy but few of them ever become top-tier teams.
**I mean, there's no guarantee we're doing things the right way, but no guarantee we're doing it the wrong way either. Just like with any team trying to build, whether from scratch through a tank or on the fly, results are not at all easy to predict. Everybody needs some luck.
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I've had a few, excuse the prose and grammatical mistakes.
First off: we can't out tank the L-Eastern conf. Philly had the most embarrassing losing streak in major sports and still couldn't get Wiggins. We can't out pay the follower GMs and FA our way to championships like Miami.
MU strategy: Turn water to wine
MU came into a hand half played.
Forget the moves that came before here's what you have. Nurture the assets we have. Increase percieved value. Ergo develop the leagues best sports science team to turn athletes into ball players(McKechnie, cryo chamber, upgraded practice facility et all). Keep JV in rubber bands, DD putting up shots, KL running laps etc.
Manage fans and parent corp support plus expectations. Keep asses in the seats and comas on the balance sheet black. MU and TL bring back VC? Push for the first All-star game. Rebrand, capitalize on some mixed kids reach and prep school hip hop cred.
Polish rhinestones, take a borderline coach and players and talk them up league wide. Spill as much ink as possible. Talk up your programming and assets. Get people thinking Lowry is the missing piece in LA or Mia. That Casey is a coach of the year candidate. That you have All-Stars signed longterm to reasonable contracts(DD).
Essentially talk the walk. Talk it until you can walk it. Once perception changes, teams that can't extend talent will see a great place to work out s&ts.
tl:dr we aren't the low cost leader(win less draft more 76ers), or the premium brand(pay more for less Lakers/Heat) we are the bargain hunting house flippers renovating that foreclosure!
Right now GMs around the league should turn the lights off and let the butlers answer the door or take MUs calls. After this showcase year they should see us as Sobeys. Come on in, get what you need, just pay a crazy premium.
Seems a silly question in that context. The draft should never be used as a marker for direction if the team. If you have a shot at a high potential piece, you draft that piece. If not, you take the best role player you can find. But that's true whether you are the Heat or the 76ers.
You want a role player? Sign one. They are a dime a dozen.
You want a player that can contribute right away? Sign one. The draft won't address this, not outside the lotto.
30% of RRepublicans are wrong, but that aside, an off the board pick versus an on the board pick would have little to no consequence for this season, and possibly even for next season. Non-lotto draft picks simply will not move the needle in their first year or two. Even if they contribute, it will be as a backup, as the 10th or 11th most important piece on the team.
Hunting Lowry's replacement mid-courtship is called preparing for an unrestricted free agent to potentially leave the team. It's called common sense. It would be moronic not to consider that scenario and prepare for it, no matter the direction of the team.
I see nothing in your post that implies any sort of questionable direction.
Listen to Jalen Rose's explanation at 4:28. We're not a team that's known for signing stars in free agency (plus we had no cap room for one this year anyway)... we've been hella good at signing role players though. That's why in the draft we need to go for potential and upside to have a shot at getting star players.
Every star player that's ever played for Toronto has been drafted, and all of them were high upside, athletic, long players (with the exception of Lowry who we traded a draft pick for).
This is a bit of a weird thread. I think the "direction" is pretty clear and has been well explained here, a couple of my fellow RR members just seem to refuse to see it. It's not even about agreeing/disagreeing with it, just not seeing at all is a little mind boggling to me. MU's gotten nothing but praise from virtually every corner since starting here, has made moves that exceeded almost all our expectations on several occasions, how you can write the process off at this very early point as "directionless" and "treadmill" is beyond me. Those terms have never been more ill-fitting of the Toronto Raptors.
This thing is just getting started. Let's see where it goes.
I think the direction is obvious.
On the negative reaction to the pick: “Honestly, I don’t do it for reactions of anybody. I don’t know. I shouldn’t say this, but I don’t care. We’re in a business where I can’t react to anything, I just have to maybe do my job and you hope that the best comes out of it. Yeah, is it a gamble? Yes. But I was asking someone, do we remember who the 20th picks of the last 10 drafts are?”
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/...os-draft-pick/This is no Rafael Araujo or Andrea Bargnani situation. The kid has talent and he has heart. While that might not be enough, in the end, it just might be and Toronto, unlike some of the NBA’s golden franchises, needs to take chances like this every once in a while in order to meet the eventual goal of becoming a contender.
http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/201...what-hes-doing“There’s none. I don’t think there’s any risk,” Ujiri said. “I’ll announce it here: We’re going to go through hard times. You have to expect them. We’re going to bump heads. Our job is to figure it out and move forward. The players, I think, understand that, and that’s why you want to always get guys who put basketball first and compete. Those are the kind of guys that we have. For me, that taste in your mouth is a little bitter, how we lost. … They come back hungry. These guys are just a phenomenal group of guys that want to work and go out and compete. When that time comes, we’ll deal with it. For me, the overall culture is what you want to create.”
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/...e-of-cohesion/"You come in and start to preach something different," Ujiri said. "You have to start instilling some of the things you believe in. I believe in passion, I believe in honesty, I believe in working hard and giving it your best. I don't believe in excuses."
http://www.cbc.ca/television/posts/t...-teams-cultureMy .02:The other plea that Ujiri and Casey make incessantly is for patience — “We are a work in progress” is the coach’s daily mantra — and it’s another reason the Heat and Spurs have been so successful. Miami’s in the NBA final for the fourth straight time — that’s not something likely to ever happen with the Raptors — but they are insistent on making each season about building rather than expecting.
Franchises would be wise to follow that lead, to expect nothing because of past success — or failure. The Raptors know that when the next season starts, the surprising success of last season will mean little, it is about continuing the process.
“If you’re doing the process the right way, eventually the result will hopefully take care of itself but that’s not guaranteed. So the only thing you can focus on is the now,” said Spoelstra.
“You have to go through the process of building habits and then go through the process of competition and figuring it out. Then when it’s all said and done, you know, everybody can look back on it and see what the result was.”
Look at the transactions that have taken place under Masai's watch. If you can't see the trend then me spelling it out is not going to do much to change one's mind.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
Now that it is all laid out so nicely for me I can go back to doing more productive things. One question though. With this kind of almost omnipotent foresight, how come you are on this forum posting? Or following the Raptors? Is it that you don't mind paying the price in suffering to save all the rest of us...warning us of the unending, bleak mediocre existence to come? Or is it that you are just full of yourself and are pulling predictions out of your ass? Inquiring minds want to know.
(PS. Who is your source in Masai's office that fed you details of his lack of plan last year and his formula for the next era of crapitude? One of the assistant coaches? Or someone else).
I think the direction is obvious; keep building. I think the draft was a sign of two things:
(1) Masai has confidence in his job security
(2) Masai is willing to shoot for the fences
It's not like if we drafted a decent shooter this team turns into a contender. We still lost in the first round in a year that it was unexpected to even make the playoffs. I can see it now -- if we fall to the 6th or 7th seed, there will be people here thinking it's time to blow up the team.
3 more first round picks: $5M total
That's already $73-75M. Even if you consider an improving NBA economy, I highly doubt the salary cap will get that high in 4 years. Right now we have 6-8 guys who are all very capable but no significant standouts. Ideally you want a bit of top-heaviness, like 2-3 guys who are extremely good, and then a solid group rounding out the roster. My vision would be that in 4 years a number of the above players will be packaged off to create the top-heaviness that is needed to really contend.
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