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Raptors Salary Cap Situation (and planning for the future)
raptors999 wrote: View PostIts the situation right now with Parsons, Bosh and Houston.A key that opens many locks is a master key, but a lock that gets open by many keys is just a shitty lock
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DanH wrote: View PostWith Lowry signed, and DD opting out and getting a big deal, and JV and Ross due for raises, no, not really. Let's see, quick look and the absolute best we can do for cap room with our current deals in 2016 is about 7M, assuming 14M to re-sign DD. So if we let DD and GV and JJ and Amir walk and sign nothing longer than a 1 year deal next summer, we could have the 21M. But not much in way of a team to attract him here.
Kyle Lowry $12mm
Patrick Patterson $6mm
Bebe Nogueira $1.9mm
Bruno Caboclo $1.6mm
If we were to re-sign Demar at $14mm
renounce all cap holds except for
Jonas Valanciunas $11.7mm
We'd have over $20mm to offer Durant, assuming we trade away our picks and small pieces away into space. I'm not saying it's a great or even good option, just wondering if it's possible. Like if Lowry/Demar/Val were all playing at an all-star level, with strong support from the Brazilians, could we add KD and then fill out the roster with minor pieces?
I'm just wondering what the risk level is of not having cap space and missing out on Durant versus losing the supporting players like Ross and Vasquez and being more certain of getting Durant.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostCorrect me if I'm wrong, but the only guaranteed money we've got committed for 2016-17 is:
Kyle Lowry $12mm
Patrick Patterson $6mm
Bebe Nogueira $1.9mm
Bruno Caboclo $1.6mm
If we were to re-sign Demar at $14mm
renounce all cap holds except for
Jonas Valanciunas $11.7mm
We'd have over $20mm to offer Durant, assuming we trade away our picks and small pieces away into space. I'm not saying it's a great or even good option, just wondering if it's possible. Like if Lowry/Demar/Val were all playing at an all-star level, with strong support from the Brazilians, could we add KD and then fill out the roster with minor pieces?
I'm just wondering what the risk level is of not having cap space and missing out on Durant versus losing the supporting players like Ross and Vasquez and being more certain of getting Durant.
But also, if we convinced Durant to sign here and OKC wasn't playing ball, we could always play the game HOU is and dump our salaries to a tanking team. Would probably end up the same 2015 and 2016 draft assets we send out to make it happen. Then we sign him outright. But I doubt it comes to that - if Durant is leaving, I'm certain Presti would play ball to get assets back.
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Thanks for the info, I posted a thread earlier asking about our current payroll situation. So I'm still a little confused, how much payroll exactly (including the exceptions) do we have left to use this year before hitting the luxury tax?
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raptors999 wrote:2.04m
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DanH wrote: View PostYeah, if everyone is a flat contract. In the best case scenario, where they backload JJ, GV and PP, we have 2.7M.
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tucas wrote: View PostI have a question. I was looking at the Shamsports site and saw raptors still have cap holds for Pietrus and Telfair. Why not renounce those wouldn't it give us more room under the tax?
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Keep in mind too, tax isn't calculated until end of season (last regular season game, I believe). If we end up slightly over during the offseason, all it would take is sending out one contract for a slightly lower return to get back under. Given that any mid-season trades will change our cap hit, it's not like the goal is to get as high without going over right now. There isn't a big difference in being slightly over or slightly under until we start to get close to the trade deadline.Last edited by octothorp; Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:48 PM.
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At the end of the July Moratorium each year, the league sends out a memo containing all of the findings from the audit it conducted during it. That audit is what the moratorium period is for - the moratorium is one long end-of-season book-keep in which it crunches all the numbers related to revenue, BRI, escrow, tax and the like, and makes determinations on both the past and the future. That memo generally filters through to the mainstream media - it has to, because it contains all the things that will make the league work next year, such as the salary cap numbers and exact size of the luxury tax threshold. It also contains things such as the latest projection of the season after next ($66.3 million salary cap, $80.7 million luxury tax threshold) and the sizes of next year's exceptions.
This year, however, the league sent out a second memo. Entitled "Consideration in Trades and Trade Structure", it is a reminder and/or clarifier to teams about some of the specifics of what they can and cannot do in trades. Seemingly, they felt this was necessary
Considering the presence of this memo suggests that some teams do not entirely understand the rules (or, perhaps, have been intent on pushing them back a bit), it is self-evidently the case that those of us outside of the league will not fully know them either. So, here goes.
http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/co...and-trade.html
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostThe NBA is not happy with some of the transactions taking place it appears.
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DanH wrote: View PostLooks like the common practice of structuring deals differently from different teams' point of view might be getting put out to pasture. Look for a significant decrease in TPE's if that's the case. Tough to say though - they don't specify any particular rule change - just a "cut it out, guys" and mention of a case by case process.
Different teams have different needs and are at different stages of development on different paths to get to where they want to be.
In other words, what is good for the goose might not be good for the gander.
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostI don't see the purpose here.
Different teams have different needs and are at different stages of development on different paths to get to where they want to be.
In other words, what is good for the goose might not be good for the gander.
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psrs1 wrote: View PostGreat post. Could you explain the cap hold concept please?
So, for example, this year when Lowry, Vasquez and Patterson were free agents, the Raptors could have had over 10M in cap room. But they could not use that cap room, since the three free agents had cap holds of 10M, 7M and 5M, putting the team way over the cap. Note that you can actually sign your free agents for more than their cap hold. The cap hold is just an estimate of what a player might sign for based on their previous year's salary. Teams can find loopholes because of that. HOU's plan this summer was to use their cap room to sign a max free agent, then re-sign Parsons. This would only work because Parsons' cap hold was only 3M. For most free agents, their cap hold is fairly close to what they will sign for.
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