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  • Offence is VERY flawed, why? Seldom ball movement. Which is almost opposite to last season's play.

    I think the huge reason for the decrease in ball movement, is that DeRozan is the focal point offensively. As much as everyone knows that I love him, he is not a number one guy on a team like this. There shouldn't be a number one guy, but a number one option. Look to post it on the inside, whether that means establishing JV much more than he's been used, and or forcing DeRozan into the post rather than handling it (which he seems to have done much more of this season).

    I haven't been happy with how little this team looks off the roller in pick-&-roll situations, and haven't been trying to push it as much, ore throw it into the post. Sure, the turnover numbers are nice, but let's be honest, the Raptors are playing safe, and I personally don't believe that's the way to go. Iso ball can be low-turnover basketball, but it's never been effective unless Durant/James/Anthony/Bryant are on your team - hell even than it's not effective (i.e. Kobe Bryant all time leader in missed field goals).

    I wish the team would start playing like one, Ross is shooting well from outside, JV, when getting touches, looks like an all-star, Amir when getting the hit off the screen, finishes nearly all the time, and DeRozan backing into the post, driving to the rim, and running off those curls truly makes him the all-star he is. People just aren't moving, and as much as I don't want to blame that on anyone, that sits on the shoulders of the coach and the point guard.
    Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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    • Great article about the Piston's growing pains turning Drummond from an energy big to the cornerstone of post-up, inside-out offense.

      http://grantland.com/the-triangle/an...troit-pistons/

      This is what we would be doing with JV if our team overall just sucked more.

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      • bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
        Great article about the Piston's growing pains turning Drummond from an energy big to the cornerstone of post-up, inside-out offense.

        http://grantland.com/the-triangle/an...troit-pistons/

        This is what we would be doing with JV if our team overall just sucked more.
        But aren't we also kind of doing that with JV, though, i.e. turning him into a post-up big?

        JV came into the league as a pick & roll big, and still does a lot of that with the Lithuanian national team. We saw a lot of team PnR when Jose was here, especially with Amir and Ed Davis. Part of the problem might be Lowry. As great as Lowry is playing these days, he doesn't have that same feel and timing for feeding the bigs on the PnR, as Jose does.

        Which brings us to Greivis Vasquez - who is in a deep funk. GV came to the Raps as kind of like Jose 2.0 - a PnR specialist with a killer floater counter. But we're turning Vasquez into a dribble-drive Lowry clone. Just like how Casey initially tried to turn Lowry into Jose.

        So here's a potential solution to get both JV and GV playing to their strengths: move JV to the second unit and run PnRs with Vasquez as one of the primary options.

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        • golden wrote: View Post
          But aren't we also kind of doing that with JV, though, i.e. turning him into a post-up big?

          JV came into the league as a pick & roll big, and still does a lot of that with the Lithuanian national team. We saw a lot of team PnR when Jose was here, especially with Amir and Ed Davis. Part of the problem might be Lowry. As great as Lowry is playing these days, he doesn't have that same feel and timing for feeding the bigs on the PnR, as Jose does.

          Which brings us to Greivis Vasquez - who is in a deep funk. GV came to the Raps as kind of like Jose 2.0 - a PnR specialist with a killer floater counter. But we're turning Vasquez into a dribble-drive Lowry clone. Just like how Casey initially tried to turn Lowry into Jose.

          So here's a potential solution to get both JV and GV playing to their strengths: move JV to the second unit and run PnRs with Vasquez as one of the primary options.
          While I think JV should keep starting (not sure if you're implying he should start on teh bench), I agree with the bold in the sense that I think his minutes should be staggered into the 2nd unit's more. Apart from the fact that JV would obviously bring more value than Hansbrough on the court, it just seems like a good fit.

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          • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
            While I think JV should keep starting (not sure if you're implying he should start on teh bench), I agree with the bold in the sense that I think his minutes should be staggered into the 2nd unit's more. Apart from the fact that JV would obviously bring more value than Hansbrough on the court, it just seems like a good fit.
            Not implying that JV absolutely has to go the bench, but if the 'hockey' 5-man unit line changes continue, then there's limited opportunities of JV playing with the best PnR specialist that the Raps have on the roster. The other way would be to sub JV out early and bring him back early when Vasquez enters the game. Point is to get more JV & GV more court time together and run more PnR with them.

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            • golden wrote: View Post
              Not implying that JV absolutely has to go the bench, but if the 'hockey' 5-man unit line changes continue, then there's limited opportunities of JV playing with the best PnR specialist that the Raps have on the roster. The other way would be to sub JV out early and bring him back early when Vasquez enters the game. Point is to get more JV & GV more court time together and run more PnR with them.
              I think it's good even way beyond GV and JV being paired together. Pat obviously fits as the designated shooter. Guys can't cheat off JV, and in fact when he's playing well we've seen his man be stuck to him and afraid to help, which helps open up driving lanes for our perimeter guys, including JJ who's been aggressive trying to attack.

              JJ is also one of our better passers and penetrators. I'm not saying he should be featured in the p'n'r with JV, but he is capable of making the pass off a screen, and he is also capable of making the dump-pass when he blows by his man. In addition, having him out there with JV and Pat helps shore up the interior D with Amir off the floor. But having him, Lou and GV all be able to handle the ball and make a pass intrigues me with JV out on the floor.

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              • The rotations are being done to suit both the team's short and long term goals, not to hand feed more touches, against subs, to the 22 year old C that needs to worry more about defense and rebounding right now if he's ever going to be an elite C in the NBA.

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                • Our issue is that we are playing a different system than last year. Horns is your friend DC... you know that.WE need to play this kind of game again:
                  Axel wrote:
                  Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!
                  KeonClark wrote:
                  We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.
                  KeonClark wrote:
                  I can't wait until the playoffs start.

                  Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink

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                  • chico wrote: View Post
                    The rotations are being done to suit both the team's short and long term goals, not to hand feed more touches, against subs, to the 22 year old C that needs to worry more about defense and rebounding right now if he's ever going to be an elite C in the NBA.
                    Not sure about that. There was a recent article where Casey said (paraphrasing), "...that the time for development was over. This season is all about winning." That seems more like a short-term focus. Which would imply that you develop schemes and rotations to optimize players' current strengths and hide their weaknesses. I mean, all coaches are supposed to do that anyways, to some degree.

                    Again, JV came into the league as primarily a PnR big (and still is with the national team). Vasquez came over from Sacto and NO with a reputation as a very good PnR facilitator, which is not really Lowry's strength. It seems like we're turning Vasquez into a dribble-drive or 3-pt shooting guard, and JV into a post-up big. Tyson Chandler was often mentioned (even by Casey himself) as a comparable big man for JV to potentially develop into. Yet, Tyson Chandler has almost no post-up game, but is one of the deadliest PnR big men in the game.

                    On the JV improving his defense and rebounding. Agree on that one. But this is the 'offense is flawed' thread, not the 'JV's defense is flawed' thread. :-)

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                    • golden wrote: View Post
                      Not sure about that. There was a recent article where Casey said (paraphrasing), "...that the time for development was over. This season is all about winning." That seems more like a short-term focus. Which would imply that you develop schemes and rotations to optimize players' current strengths and hide their weaknesses. I mean, all coaches are supposed to do that anyways, to some degree.

                      Again, JV came into the league as primarily a PnR big (and still is with the national team). Vasquez came over from Sacto and NO with a reputation as a very good PnR facilitator, which is not really Lowry's strength. It seems like we're turning Vasquez into a dribble-drive or 3-pt shooting guard, and JV into a post-up big. Tyson Chandler was often mentioned (even by Casey himself) as a comparable big man for JV to potentially develop into. Yet, Tyson Chandler has almost no post-up game, but is one of the deadliest PnR big men in the game.

                      On the JV improving his defense and rebounding. Agree on that one. But this is the 'offense is flawed' thread, not the 'JV's defense is flawed' thread. :-)
                      1st Bold: ya gotta be careful about taking a quotation out of context of the complete conversation, and carving it in stone as a fixed mantra. Any NBA coach with as young a team as this keeps development on a front burner, just not the big one. Is it possible what he was implying is that winning is #1, and development is #2, and that he was saying that development was not going to come at the expense of winning? This isn't a tanking team. They're a playoff team, and a coach better damn well be putting winning first. Lowry didn't sign back to take a back seat to JV's baby sitting. Listen to him, and he's actually in JV's face to man up and be the starting C the team needs, not hand feeding him offensive touches against subs.

                      2nd Bold: The team is a DEFENSE FIRST team, so discussing offense in a vacuum, outside the whole picture, is senseless, imo.

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                      • The thing is, JV's defense will improve with reps. The more experience the better. So why not give him half his minutes against bench players, who will be less dangerous, so he can a) get experience as the primary help defender, b) not hurt the team while he does so, c) get some post looks as a primary option in the offence while not taking away looks from the starting backcourt and d) get his PnR game rolling, at the same time providing GV with a real PnR option, which should help him get into his groove.

                        Say he starts the game, comes out early at around 4 minutes in. Sub in PPat (if you can) or Hayes/Steimsma if the opposing front court is huge. Ideally PPat - the Amir/PPat frontline has been effective against most opposing bigs. Then at the 10 minute mark, when the full bench unit comes in, JV comes with them. So it is GV-Lou-JJ-PP-JV. That runs until the 6 minute mark of the second, when the starters come back in and you run JV-Amir in the front court. At that point you've run PPat for 14 minutes, Amir for 16 minutes, and JV for 18 minutes. With maybe 4-6 minutes taken from any of them and given to one of Hayes/Steimsma/Hansbrough (let's say Hayes for simplicity) depending on matchups/fouls.

                        Second half more of the same. JV with the starters for 4 minutes - PPat/Amir until 10 minutes in, then the bench mob with JV. Then at the 6 minute mark of the 4th, you've got options for closing - starters come back in, either with Amir and PPat stays out there (if you are doing this, maybe you use Hayes or Hansbrough to rest him for 4 minutes early in the 4th), or Amir and Hayes, or leave JV out there with Amir to close if he is having a good game. Depending on the permutation, you end up with minute totals around 16 for Amir, 10-16 for Patterson, 4-10 for Hayes, and 12-18 for JV. All while not needing to play JV in crunch time unless he is doing well.

                        That puts the game totals at 32 for Amir, 24-30 for Patterson, 4-10 for Hayes, and 30-36 for JV. Any of JV, Amir or PP can see their minutes reduced a bit if Hayes (or whoever is playing in Hayes' spot) takes on a few more minutes. And that leaves JV playing with and against bench players for 16 of his minutes. Everybody wins. Except Hansbrough, as it should be.
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                        • golden wrote: View Post
                          But aren't we also kind of doing that with JV, though, i.e. turning him into a post-up big?

                          JV came into the league as a pick & roll big, and still does a lot of that with the Lithuanian national team. We saw a lot of team PnR when Jose was here, especially with Amir and Ed Davis. Part of the problem might be Lowry. As great as Lowry is playing these days, he doesn't have that same feel and timing for feeding the bigs on the PnR, as Jose does.

                          Which brings us to Greivis Vasquez - who is in a deep funk. GV came to the Raps as kind of like Jose 2.0 - a PnR specialist with a killer floater counter. But we're turning Vasquez into a dribble-drive Lowry clone. Just like how Casey initially tried to turn Lowry into Jose.

                          So here's a potential solution to get both JV and GV playing to their strengths: move JV to the second unit and run PnRs with Vasquez as one of the primary options.
                          Giving GV a real pick and roll partner would clean up the bench offense for sure. Amir or JV would work.

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                          • No offense , but so far our offense is top 10. It's not been pretty, but fairly effective.
                            "Bruno?
                            Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                            He's terrible."

                            -Superjudge, 7/23

                            Hope you're wrong.

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                            • Basketball reference's calculations have us as the league's 2nd best offense by offensive rating. Calling it a problem seems questionable to me

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                              • Jrice9 wrote: View Post
                                Basketball reference's calculations have us as the league's 2nd best offense by offensive rating. Calling it a problem seems questionable to me
                                Can we have it 1st? Here's to improvements.

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