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white men can't jump wrote: View PostI can't really agree with this, because it looks like the role carved out for Lou has been to ignore the system and be an iso scorer. He is frequently given the ball at the top and everyone just gets out of the way. To me it looks entirely by design. At other times, he's been part of the system when off the ball. He spots up in the corner or on the wing to either catch and shoot, or use a big's screen to attack. I can't fault Lou for doing what he's probably been asked to do.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostI can't really agree with this, because it looks like the role carved out for Lou has been to ignore the system and be an iso scorer. He is frequently given the ball at the top and everyone just gets out of the way. To me it looks entirely by design. At other times, he's been part of the system when off the ball. He spots up in the corner or on the wing to either catch and shoot, or use a big's screen to attack. I can't fault Lou for doing what he's probably been asked to do.
If Lou is imposing his will that doesn't speak much of Casey. While I'm not one of Casey's biggest fans, I don't think he is bad enough of a coach to be unable to control his players.
It is pretty apparent that the players do what they are asked in my opinion.
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Sometimes a little too well (ROSS).Axel wrote:Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!KeonClark wrote:We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.KeonClark wrote:I can't wait until the playoffs start.
Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink
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KeonClark wrote: View PostI too remember a solid portion of last season. Sharing the ball..what a novel concept. What happened to Vasquez i thought passing was his forte. Now hes selfish as fuck. It's like its contagious cause derozan looks for his.
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A couple good points here - core offensive players (Lowry, DeRozan, Lou) all look to "impose their will" as individuals on the offensive end, basically. The Spurs (tired of hearing about them yet?) looked to impose their will as a team, as a system. The Raps young leaders, Lowry and DD, need to mature to that point.
I guess I've gotten used to this approach - I remember noticing it a lot more in the Brooklyn series, wondering why Lowry and DD were trying to save the team all by themselves, and wondering what happened to the ball movement.
The crazy thing is the Raps offense is performing at a really high level, but count me in as one of the guys worried about the playoffs. I think the last play of game 7 sums up what we all fear - Lowry driving, all alone, in not that great of a situation, and getting stuffed with the entire season on the line. Ultimately, when a good D dials in on a play, Lowry, DD, and Lou are all stoppable offensive players. This team would be harder to guard with more ball and player movement."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View PostA couple good points here - core offensive players (Lowry, DeRozan, Lou) all look to "impose their will" as individuals on the offensive end, basically. The Spurs (tired of hearing about them yet?) looked to impose their will as a team, as a system. The Raps young leaders, Lowry and DD, need to mature to that point.
I guess I've gotten used to this approach - I remember noticing it a lot more in the Brooklyn series, wondering why Lowry and DD were trying to save the team all by themselves, and wondering what happened to the ball movement.
The crazy thing is the Raps offense is performing at a really high level, but count me in as one of the guys worried about the playoffs. I think the last play of game 7 sums up what we all fear - Lowry driving, all alone, in not that great of a situation, and getting stuffed with the entire season on the line. Ultimately, when a good D dials in on a play, Lowry, DD, and Lou are all stoppable offensive players. This team would be harder to guard with more ball and player movement.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Whether by design or neglect, the iso-ball offence is painful to watch and an abomination in the face of what we have seen this team do in the past. Whatever the issue is, it needs to be fixed immediately. This is boring-ass ball right now, and the current record is nothing but fools gold.
Welcome to the higher standard Raptors fans. Let's see how they do.Welp, that sucked.
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Superjudge wrote: View PostWhats toronto since DD went down?
Eh?
Not counting the NBA powered loss to the Cavs as that was clearly an NBA gametime decision.
I think this team is doing well without DD.
And when he's back, they will be even better.
As S.R. pointed out, this is more a concern about sustainability. If we try to run an ISO dominant offense in the playoffs, where teams will be super prepared, keyed in defensively and be making strategic game to game adjustments, it will be hard to keep up the same O-rating I'd imagine.
All I'm saying is that I'd rather this not become our permanent identity. It's early enough that there's still time to change; let's take advantage of that.
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They don't, they run a pretty well known motion.... horns I believe, with a lot of 1-4 as well.
I have no idea why people keep saying they don't.
The issue is usually when the half ass it and the screeners dont set um with any effort.
I think at times Lowry still ignores the bigs rolling to the rim...but all in all it aint bad.
Toronto isn't losing on offence this year, the problem has been in their own end.
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Superjudge wrote: View PostThey don't, they run a pretty well known motion.... horns I believe, with a lot of 1-4 as well.
I have no idea why people keep saying they don't.
The issue is usually when the half ass it and the screeners dont set um with any effort.
I think at times Lowry still ignores the bigs rolling to the rim...but all in all it aint bad.
Toronto isn't losing on offence this year, the problem has been in their own end.
Anyways, I think we more or less agree. The offence is 'fine' for now, and defence is a wayyy bigger concern at the moment. Still, I'd like to see less ball pounding and more ball passing.
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