#FireCasey

[DanH]

So would you resign everyone, go into the tax and give Casey another chance with a supposedly changed system? I want to here what you would like us to do because all I see is this team being fucked. And this is with Casey as the coach because Masai pretty much confirmed Casey is staying.

I would re-sign Lowry, Ibaka and Tucker (sadly, Patterson will have to go - mostly because of the money crunch but Casey obviously won't use him right anyway so it matters little). I would find a way to shed Joseph and Carroll, even if it cost the 1st this year and one of the lesser prospects (say, Nogueira, Bruno or Siakam). That would bring the team under the tax and keep most of the best pieces from this year's best-ever Raptors squad.

Personally I'd get a new coach, but maybe Casey really can run out an entirely different system. If not, and the whole thing falls apart, you try a new coach a mid-season, see if the results change. And if that doesn't seem to be helping, at least you've got pieces to sell to start your rebuild. Lowry, Ibaka and DeRozan would all fetch a decent price, I would think, and Tucker could be worth something.

[JimiCliff]

We need to retire the term treadmill. Durant-Westbrook-Ibaka era Thunder was essentially a high end treadmill. Never met expectations of winning the big one. Luxury car, yes. But treadmill, nonetheless.

That Thunder team wasn't a treadmill team because they had a legitimate chance to win a title.

One of your defining treadmill teams would be the Joe Johnson Hawks - always in the playoffs, but never a rational hope of winning it all.

[JimiCliff]

That Thunder team was a true Contender, but they never won, and that's fine.

[Nilanka]

We need to retire the term treadmill. Durant-Westbrook-Ibaka era Thunder was essentially a high end treadmill. Never met expectations of winning the big one. Luxury car, yes. But treadmill, nonetheless.

Completely disagree. That OKC roster had more than enough talent to win multiple titles.

IMO, if you reach the NBA finals, you're excluded from being labelled a treadmill.

[JimiCliff]

I can think of 4 teams that were able to accomplish their goal of rebuilding through the draft and winning championship.

Bulls - Jordan
Cavs - LBJ
Spurs - Duncan
Warriors - Curry

And the most recent Spurs title team was led by a mid first round pick and a late first round pick.

[Nilanka]

Masai says he's committed to Dwane Casey as their coach. Recognizes that he needs to change things and do them better but is committed.

— Kevin Rashidi (@KevinRashidi) May 18, 2017

see y'all in 2 years

[Nilanka]

I can think of 4 teams that were able to accomplish their goal of rebuilding through the draft and winning championship.

Bulls - Jordan
Cavs - LBJ
Spurs - Duncan
Warriors - Curry

That I believe is it for two decades of basketball. So, yeah...I'll take my chances with treadmilling in the hopes we can pull of a big trade. We've got a great GM, so lets see what else he can do with this roster. I'm not so eager to be Charlotte, Minni, Philli, type team for the next 10 years.

Not an exhaustive list. Besides, you should also include teams that have reached the finals too. That's really all we're hoping for. Drafting talent that's capable of giving us a shot at a ring.

Heat - Wade
Thunder - Durant/Westbrook/Harden
Magic - Shaq/Penny
Rockets - Olajuwan
Sonics - Payton/Kemp
Knicks - Ewing
76ers - Iverson

[Chr1s1anL]

Can't say im surprised

[ball4life]

And the most recent Spurs title team was led by a mid first round pick and a late first round pick.

And was led by the greatest "pop"pet master of all time.

[Cody73]

TBH, we didn't draft Lowry, Ibaka or Tucker.


We still have draftees JV & DD on this team. TBH, if the right coach was brought in, could a team built around those two guy's strengths not compete? I think it could. We really need to get JV the ball more & not shy away from him. The guy can easily give you 15 & 10 every night.

[LJ2]

Not an exhaustive list. Besides, you should also include teams that have reached the finals too. That's really all we're hoping for. Drafting talent that's capable of giving us a shot at a ring.

Heat - Wade
Thunder - Durant/Westbrook/Harden
Magic - Shaq/Penny
Rockets - Olajuwan
Sonics - Payton/Kemp
Knicks - Ewing
76ers - Iverson

Just goes to show how hard it is to build through the draft. The ratio of success to failures is pretty lopsided. I want to see what moves Masai has left before giving up on this core.

[LJ2]

TBH, we didn't draft Lowry, Ibaka or Tucker.


We still have draftees JV & DD on this team. TBH, if the right coach was brought in, could a team built around those two guy's strengths not compete? I think it could. We really need to get JV the ball more & not shy away from him. The guy can easily give you 15 & 10 every night.

In my opinion no, and I say that without hesitation. Lowry is the difference maker on this roster.

[Nilanka]

Just goes to show how hard it is to build through the draft. The ratio of success to failures is pretty lopsided. I want to see what moves Masai has left before giving up on this core.

I'm only advocating blowing it up if Lowry walks.

I wouldn't have patience for keeping the same team/coach, while replacing Lowry with, say, Tyreke Evans, just to see how we do. I already know the answer.

[MixxAOR]

TBH, we didn't draft Lowry, Ibaka or Tucker.


We still have draftees JV & DD on this team. TBH, if the right coach was brought in, could a team built around those two guy's strengths not compete? I think it could. We really need to get JV the ball more & not shy away from him. The guy can easily give you 15 & 10 every night.

Compete for what? For 8th seed? maybe. But not Top 4 in Conference. JV & DD both don't play defense. You put both of them in pick and roll and you score everytime.

[special1]

TBH, we didn't draft Lowry, Ibaka or Tucker.


We still have draftees JV & DD on this team. TBH, if the right coach was brought in, could a team built around those two guy's strengths not compete? I think it could. We really need to get JV the ball more & not shy away from him. The guy can easily give you 15 & 10 every night.

How does JV averaging 15 & 10 help us defensively? That's the question....


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