Problem w/ the Offence

[godkingleonidas]

[Nilanka]

They take way too many threes. Pull up threes, off the dribble, contested threes. Just bad shots. The other night vs Bucks they took 27 threes, made 7 of them. Last week vs Wizards i think(can't remember) they took 34 threes. Tonight vs Brooklyn they took 32 threes only made 10. That's a lot of threes a gam. Something needs to change.

If they're not taking threes, they're taking tough contested 2's, fadeaway, turnaround whatever. Lowry, DeRozan and AGAIN Lou Williams are the main culprit here.

Lowry's decision making(passing and shooting)since being named an all-star has been brutal. What's up with the long 2 fadeaway shot and the the long pull up 3's? also, what's up with the homerun passes?? because he's an all star he can now do whatever he wants?

DeRozan SHOULD operate more in the post.

Lou Williams needs to fucking calm down with the off the dribble 3 crap.

Last night, 33 three balls attempted, but only 18 free throws. Just horrendous, horrendous offensive execution.

[SamMitchells]

This is taking posts away from #firecasey because that is essentially what is being discussed here. One can point at the players and show disgust or be genuine and point out the self proclaimed mastermind behind the offence.

Believe you me, nothing will change unless we go on a huge streak of losses.

I do have some resentment for kyle Lowry and the way he's been playing is not all star, it's more like trash. DD just being demar, what's new? He's good vs bad defensive teams and gets shut down vs good teams.
Lou Williams is great, he's only doing what he's asked of and one can not expect to much from him, he's not an all star, great bench player who can make plays for himself.

Remember the games when DD was injured , how they would go to JV in the first for those post ups? Remember how successful he was? Looks like they forgot about that amazing high percentage play that could be utilized in all 4 quarters.

If Masai doesn't see what we see, we're doomed.

[godkingleonidas]

[planetmars]

The Raptors must have some pretty crazy offensive numbers earlier in the year to still be 2nd in the league in rating. I can't fathom how they are still 2nd after watching them play the past few weeks.

[3inthekeon]

Don't like the 3?

First 2 years under Casey, Raptors were average/below average in attempting 3's.
Nurse arrived last year and we took 250 more 3's than the year before - 11th in the league in attempts.
This year, we're 9th in attempts.
How much is Casey, how much Nurse, how much personnel - no clue.

Lack of passing?

This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.

[magoon]

Lack of passing?

This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.

It's worth pointing out here that at 34.7%, Kyle's AST% is solidly in the top quarter of guards in this league. Point guards who have lower AST% than Kyle: Jrue Holiday, Damian Lillard, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, even Jose Calderon.

[3inthekeon]

It's worth pointing out here that at 34.7%, Kyle's AST% is solidly in the top quarter of guards in this league. Point guards who have lower AST% than Kyle: Jrue Holiday, Damian Lillard, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, even Jose Calderon.

True, just trying to point out playmaking isn't something that comes naturally to Kyle. Conley, Dragic, Lilliard are similar. Holiday is another one, but the past 2 years were better than Kyles best. Parker and Jose are in serious decline, Jose also has the "benefit" of teammates who can'rt score.

[golden]

Unless you're "Pounding The Rock".

Einstein meet Casey... lol

[cinqueda]

Analytics bruh. 3>2 where you been

only true if you make the shot, looking at the nets game: 25/46 from 2 10/33 from 3, so 54% from 2 30% from 3 30% of 3 is 0.9, 0.54% of 2 is 1.08, so until we start taking efficient 3's, it's actually better for us to shoot 2's, and this stat includes the terrible long 2's we always take if we could eliminate those too it'd be even more obvious, the problem with our offence well there's plenty

1, it's not an offence it's a bunch of guards trying to get theirs.
2, bigs get pulled for mistakes but guards don't (I know I'm hating on guards but I like DD Lowry(pre #nbaballot) and Ross a lot, but it's largely the guards fault.)
3, long 2's and contested 3's mean not only lower chances of going in, but also long rebounds we can't gather and transition points for opponents.
4, Lowry become obsessed with lobs down the floor for whatever reason.
5, everyone knows what's coming.
6, we run stupid crazy help everywhere defence and players are all to tired to be effective on offence.
7, we don't adjust to the teams we're playing, ever. do they have a weak centre and strong long guard? give the ball to DD and let him ruin his shooting percentage.
8, I know I said we don't adjust but we actually to, just the wrong way we let opponents dictate the game and match it.
9, when we're up big we dribble the clock down and shoot long 3's that miss until opponents catch up,
10, when we're down big we shoot long 3's that miss early in the shot clock until opponents run away with it.

that's all I can think of now, I want to go back to horns, ice pnr's, more off ball screens, more passing more open shots, you know proffesional basketball stuff.

[3inthekeon]

We're league average at making 3's.

[cinqueda]

Don't like the 3?

First 2 years under Casey, Raptors were average/below average in attempting 3's.
Nurse arrived last year and we took 250 more 3's than the year before - 11th in the league in attempts.
This year, we're 9th in attempts.
How much is Casey, how much Nurse, how much personnel - no clue.

Lack of passing?

This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.

but nurse's vipers did nothing but 3's and layups they also passed up contested 3's to the next guy for a more open 3 and yes his personell suited it better they always had at least 3 decent 3p shooters.

lowry's a good passer but doesn't seem very adaptive he seems to make up his mind on what he's doing then nothing will change it

[cinqueda]

We're league average at making 3's.

imagine if we got good looks at the 3 ball...

[psrs1]

Yea this is not playoff basketball. This is 6th seed, first round exit basketball
The talent is definately there. JV should be putting up 15-10 a game easily.

I dont mind good mid-range jumpshots. Open jumpshots off pindowns, a lot of space, etc.
But not turnaround long 2s, off the dribble, praying for some magic

By this poor shot selection we are essentially handing victory to our opponents with all the easy looks in transition/fast break.

[tDotted]

speaking of threes, GV and Lou both attempt more threes per 36 than Kyle Korver.

(Lou career: 34%
GV career: 35%
Korver career: 43%)