Casey's Deadline

[3inthekeon]

Yeah, what was Masai thinking this offseason, not getting a perimeter defender - I mean the team got ripped apart by Joe Johnson last year! And he had 2.5M of his MLE just lying there, could have offered somebody a two year deal just to come in and defend. Someone who can pick up quick and strong players from 1-4, just a real defensive specialist. Ideally someone who has been in the organization before, so long as Casey is on board. I wouldn't even care if the guy had a neck tattoo or anything. Would be nice if said perimeter defender could maybe post up a bit on smaller players, and have decent enough handles to drive on bigger players, just to keep the defense honest.

I'm sure Casey would kill to have a guy like that, and would play him at every opportunity.

I thought JJ was brought in to stop guys like Joe Johnson/ Melo. And he can defend the 4 as well.

I can't see him shutting down John Wall or Derrick Rose..

[DanH]

I thought JJ was brought in to stop guys like Joe Johnson/ Melo. And he can defend the 4 as well.

I can't see him shutting down John Wall or Derrick Rose..

I can see it and we have seen him play very good defence against SG's and PG's already.

[DanH]

Anyway, point is, Casey has a very good perimeter defender, whether he is better for 3's or 2's or 1's is irrelevant, because he goes unused. I have zero faith a similar but smaller specialist would be better utilized.

[3inthekeon]

Yeah, Casey shutting JJ out of the rotation prior to his hamstring issues still has me baffled.

[Balls of Steel]

If the playoffs are an unmitigated disaster, you definitely consider taking action. A loss in the first round would be that for me.

A loss in the second round, and you'd have Casey on a shorter leash depending on the opponent and the details.

I think even after a first round loss, he might still survive. If he continues to fail to get JV involved while the team starts to flounder, he's gone before the ASG in TDot.

[SamMitchells]

Casey's Deadline

By "finished product" I believe he means roster wise more than anything lol.
Possibly the development of TR AND JV , the full comprehension of his ridiculously unrealistic defensive play style.

If he means JV and TR then his product will finish 2-4 years from today... I don't think I'll be watching every single raptor game as I am doing now if HE is still here by then, unless we acquire personnel that fit his ridiculous defensive system and he gives all rights to his offence to the assistants


Hmm but come to think of it... JV will never blossom in this system , unless he loses 30 pounds or something. Either he has to change his whole philosophy, get fired or JV gets traded, I don't see JV becoming chandler, in fact odds are he will get injured if he attempts to do too much.

[BallaBalla]

By "finished product" I believe he means roster wise more than anything lol.
Possibly the development of TR AND JV , the full comprehension of his ridiculously unrealistic defensive play style.

If he means JV and TR then his product will finish 2-4 years from today... I don't think I'll be watching every single raptor game as I am doing now if HE is still here by then, unless we acquire personnel that fit his ridiculous defensive system and he gives all rights to his offence to the assistants


Hmm but come to think of it... JV will never blossom in this system , unless he loses 30 pounds or something. Either he has to change his whole philosophy, get fired or JV gets traded, I don't see JV becoming chandler, in fact odds are he will get injured if he attempts to do too much.

I think you're right about this actually. Let's be realistic. you have to have top talent to win a championship, so DC is not going come out and say that they're a finished product, because then they would be expected to win, which he can't have sitting out there.

I think DC can keep his job in ANY context except for the way we are playing now: no displine and focus when we are playing. I think it all starts with our shot selection, and ISO ball. This feeds into the lack of focus on defense. Very similar to what happened with rudy gay on the team.

If the team starts playing more focused ball and we finish in the top 3 in the east with 50 + wins and win a playoff round, he is golden (how many fans wouldn't have taken that at the start of the season?)

If we finish with 50 wins or so, with a first round exit BUT show growth and defensive intensity (i.e. lose the way we lost in the playoffs last year) I still think he is golden.

BUT

if we finish with around 50 wins the way we are playing now and lose, that's regressing back to becoming an average team. If they keep jacking up 3's and not playing defense, it means one thing: The players are simply not listening anymore, and DC has nothing left to give them. It's time to move on to a coach who can raise the expectations of the team.

So it will be interesting, but if you look at his body of work as a whole (building a team from the ground up), it will be difficult to say that DC is not the best coach we have ever had, especially if he wins a playoff round. Even if he gets fired

[slogan]

I would imagine that "finished product" refers to when he feels the team has nailed down the defensive schemes. I don't believe we legitimately have any disciplined offensive schemes so that end of the floor is irrelevant. However, I'm not totally confident that this current roster will be able to consistently sustain the type of defence that Casey employs so maybe we'll never be a finished product.

[OldSkoolCool]

All-star break

[MACK11]

Yeah, what was Masai thinking this offseason, not getting a perimeter defender - I mean the team got ripped apart by Joe Johnson last year! And he had 2.5M of his MLE just lying there, could have offered somebody a two year deal just to come in and defend. Someone who can pick up quick and strong players from 1-4, just a real defensive specialist. Ideally someone who has been in the organization before, so long as Casey is on board. I wouldn't even care if the guy had a neck tattoo or anything. Would be nice if said perimeter defender could maybe post up a bit on smaller players, and have decent enough handles to drive on bigger players, just to keep the defense honest.

I'm sure Casey would kill to have a guy like that, and would play him at every opportunity.

I'd imagine if JJ continues to ride the pine for the rest of the season and playoffs.

And we cannot stop these premier offensive players and we ultimately lose in the playoffs just like last year.

Masai wouldn't be happy with Casey.

[Bendit]

I believe Masai went all in with DC and this team at the beginning of the season. He stays for the season at least and I dont expect any major changes to the roster costing a 1st or endangering future cap space either until after unless of course it's a deal too good to pass up on....and this would have to be another fleece job which of course are rare.

I can see MU having a heart-to-heart with DC during the all star break to review roster usage...this seems to be the only way Mr. stubborn will relent unless of course MU is already on board with eg. JV's usage, JJ's non/curious usage and iso/guard centric offense. It is a crock to believe GMs do not interact with the hc on style and substance of play at least on a macro level. It would have to be a major falling out with DC for MU to fire him mid season (DC knows the politics of the NBA).

[bryan colangelo]

After playoffs.

Even if you have a bad playoffs you don't necessarily move him unless you have a better coach in the wings or some major roster changes in mind. Unless you can upgrade the roster or coach than you might as will ride out his contract another year.

[raptors999]

After playoffs.

Even if you have a bad playoffs you don't necessarily move him unless you have a better coach in the wings or some major roster changes in mind. Unless you can upgrade the roster or coach than you might as will ride out his contract another year.

They have two assistants who are better

[bryan colangelo]

They have two assistants who are better

Will they take the team to better than a 30-15 record and past the first round?

Yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah, the record doesn't matter — to you, the hardcore fan. But Masai would have to go to a MLSE board and say, "I want to fire this guy that has another guaranteed year on his contract."

The MLSE board will say, "Okay. We respect that. But what's the plan? Do you think a better coach will do more with this roster? 30-15 is still pretty decent. It's a guaranteed fourth seed. What's the difference between firing him now or waiting a year when we have the team option to end his contract early? Wasn't that your entire plan, Masai? To let Casey go a year early if you landed a big fish in 2016?"

Casey's third year is a team option for a reason. Masai knows what he's doing.

[Superjudge]

Sweet Jesus thank you.