Draft Night : Is that the beginning of what we will see for the rest of the season ?

[RepTdot]

people forgetting batman has everything that daredevil has. he has sonic vision, he invented a leg brace to fix a bum knee, if "meditation" to heal means the will to heal he did that getting over his broken back.

batman has beaten the flash, snuck up on superman so daredevils sonic hearing is useless. superman can literally hear our hearts beating, see through the entire world, focus on any sound he wants.

bruce wayne has mastered all forms of martial arts, is one of the smartest people in the world. daredevil has him on agility being smaller, both can fight blind, batmans suit is better equipped to receive blows, comes with sharp sword breakers, bruce would use sonic booms to destroy daredevils hearing.

daredevil almost loses everytime and then finds a bit more will to win, batman breaks wills

batman all day every day. guy has a "take out the entire justice league" contingency plan and daredevil can almost clean up hells kitchen

for all these reason and more...Batman destroys Daredevil

[Cody73]

Eh..... Booster Gold would just steal stuff to beat both of them up.

[JawsGT]

What if MU attempts to make a draft day move, but the teams of his preferred targets aren't interested, and thus nothing happens? And what if none of that leaks from the front office, which is very likely based on what has transpired thus far?

I'm just saying folks, that don't freak out and get all doom and gloom if draft day passes without any major moves, cause it's likely we will never know what MU's intentions were on that night. Maybe he tried to shake things up, and maybe it didn't work out, but it won't mean he is committed to the current roster, but just that the right moves were not available.

The issues with the team going forward aren't either/or, not option a or b, etc. There are a multitude of ways to build, rebuild, retool or whatever going forward. These forums have degenerated into tank or stick with the current team, yet we all know there are a million and one options in between.

[IwishIwasZachLowe]

What if MU attempts to make a draft day move, but the teams of his preferred targets aren't interested, and thus nothing happens? And what if none of that leaks from the front office, which is very likely based on what has transpired thus far?

I'm just saying folks, that don't freak out and get all doom and gloom if draft day passes without any major moves, cause it's likely we will never know what MU's intentions were on that night. Maybe he tried to shake things up, and maybe it didn't work out, but it won't mean he is committed to the current roster, but just that the right moves were not available.

The issues with the team going forward aren't either/or, not option a or b, etc. There are a multitude of ways to build, rebuild, retool or whatever going forward. These forums have degenerated into tank or stick with the current team, yet we all know there are a million and one options in between.

Sure, if you're the Lakers, or Pat Riley is running your team. But, are there really a million and one options to make a championship caliber team. It's easier you draft stars(Spurs,Warriors,OKC) or you sign stars(Cavs,Heat). But no superstar free agent has ever signed with the Raptors so its safe to say that a tear down is the only way. Sure, you could also pull a Danny Ainge, collect draft picks and young assets and trade for stars. But we don't have enough of that to trade for 2 all stars like the Celtics did.

There are a couple ways to retool, rebuild but those options narrow when you are a market like Toronto. Not because it's a small market, it's not, but because it's almost impossible to bring in stars here if you don't draft them. Ask Alonzo Mourning. He was traded here and he didn't play a minute.

[Mess]

No no no, you have it all wrong. If the Raptors do not trade for 3 top 10 picks it will be because Masai wasn't smart enough to propose them. Fire the bum.

[Mindlessness]

No no no, you have it all wrong. If the Raptors do not trade for 3 top 10 picks it will be because Masai wasn't smart enough to propose them. Fire the bum.

No no no, YOU have it all wrong. If Masai doesn't have Batman and Daredevil fight to the death in the Skydome by tomorrow at sundown, blood will run through the streets. And a Masai. Will. Be. Fired.

[Miekenstien]

That was always my issue with DC characters. They make them so stupidly powerful that there isn't even a competition. Hence why the Marvel counterparts are usually a much more entertaining version of the DC character.

this i agree with.

[Miekenstien]

Batman doesn't have sonic vision like Daredevil does. Not even close. Flash is fast, not hard to sneak up on. Daredevil is nearly impossible to sneak up on. Superman can see everything but is a dumb jock and is not attuned to his (super) senses the way Daredevil is trained to be.

Daredevil is not only more agile, but faster, more precise, stronger and a better martial artist.

"Batman breaks wills" while Daredevil almost loses every time, read that as some people like stories about rich people who always dominate, some people like stories with suspense and characters who are vulnerable. The later like Daredevil. Frank Miller tried to make Batman into Daredevil by bringing his neo-noir style to it, sure. But the basic character is still some rich dude with batarangs, batmobiles, and probably bat-dildos, a butler and buddy named Robin. Daredevil would kick his ass.

if daredevil has a cell phone then yes, batman has sonic vision just like him, matt murdock is a master of blind fu, if we accept that as a real fighting style and bruce wayne is known as a master of all fighting styles then yes bruce knows this one too. precision strikes, batman is a master of all human pressure points that can paralyze or cripple, so not getting more precise than that. daredevil is not stronger than batman. he looks like he weighs 160 pounds. bruce is a solid 190-205 fighter.

making fun of the items in the belt to belittle how he is prepared for everything is silly. if you showed up to a lesbian orgy and had no dildos who would you call? again batman is superior.

if there is no solid lead between any points then yes superman can see through the entire world. and super speed is one of the most overpowered of all dc god-like powers.


daredevil and his comics are awesome, his stories bring about more suspense and feelings than most batmans, except a few. remember how happy you were when jason todd was killed. but this is about who would win the fight not who is most engaging on paper.

[OldSkoolCool]

if daredevil has a cell phone then yes, batman has sonic vision just like him, matt murdock is a master of blind fu, if we accept that as a real fighting style and bruce wayne is known as a master of all fighting styles then yes bruce knows this one too. precision strikes, batman is a master of all human pressure points that can paralyze or cripple, so not getting more precise than that. daredevil is not stronger than batman. he looks like he weighs 160 pounds. bruce is a solid 190-205 fighter.

making fun of the items in the belt to belittle how he is prepared for everything is silly. if you showed up to a lesbian orgy and had no dildos who would you call? again batman is superior.

if there is no solid lead between any points then yes superman can see through the entire world. and super speed is one of the most overpowered of all dc god-like powers.


daredevil and his comics are awesome, his stories bring about more suspense and feelings than most batmans, except a few. remember how happy you were when jason todd was killed. but this is about who would win the fight not who is most engaging on paper.

If you were a lesbian you wouldn't be turned on by phallic shaped objects, so the batdildo would be rendered useless and in the confusion Daredevil would crush him

just sayin...

[Miekenstien]

hahaha

[Quirk]

if daredevil has a cell phone then yes, batman has sonic vision just like him, matt murdock is a master of blind fu, if we accept that as a real fighting style and bruce wayne is known as a master of all fighting styles then yes bruce knows this one too. precision strikes, batman is a master of all human pressure points that can paralyze or cripple, so not getting more precise than that. daredevil is not stronger than batman. he looks like he weighs 160 pounds. bruce is a solid 190-205 fighter.

making fun of the items in the belt to belittle how he is prepared for everything is silly. if you showed up to a lesbian orgy and had no dildos who would you call? again batman is superior.

if there is no solid lead between any points then yes superman can see through the entire world. and super speed is one of the most overpowered of all dc god-like powers.


daredevil and his comics are awesome, his stories bring about more suspense and feelings than most batmans, except a few. remember how happy you were when jason todd was killed. but this is about who would win the fight not who is most engaging on paper.

Sorry man, but no, Batman does not have sonic vision like Daredevil. Daredevil knows the position of a gun being aimed at him from behind him or can tell how many fingures somebody is holding up without seeing them, Batman doesn't do this kind of stuff. And superman, for all his super senses, needs to decide to see through the world or use his super hearing, he is not trained to be completely attuned to his senses like Daredevil is.

Batman comics do not show him doing particularly advance martial arts, he is supposed to be a "master" of all styles but in the comics he's mainly just a bruiser, like Kingpin, and there are different levels of mastery. Daredevils' mastery is an important part of the character is is not just referenced, but shown, from his training by Stick and membership in the Chaste, to his "ability to take a punch" (meaning being nearly killed) and get up, like his dad, to his being given leadership of the Hand, training with Iron Fist, etc, Marital arts mastery is a core part of the character and story line, including the more mystical parts of mastery, like master over mind and body, being able to heal himself, etc, none of these play a role in Batman. Daredevil is the better martial artist as told by the comics.

Here's a picture of Daredevil using a 400lbs barbell as a fighting staff without any effort at all. Batman is never show as being able to do stuff like that.



Batman may be bigger, but Daredevil is stronger.

He's stronger, faster, more precise, more agile, has far batter senses and is a better martial artists. But you say Baman wins because reasons. And yes, the bat-gadgets are just lame-o accessories to sell to 8 year-olds. Might be useful to have a dildo at a sex party, but nobody wants a "bat-dildo" because 8 year-olds don't have sex parties.

Daredevil would win the fight, there is no reason to believe it would be even close since he is superior in every factor that relates to fighting.

[mcHAPPY]

Sorry man, but no, Batman does not have sonic vision like Daredevil. Daredevil knows the position of a gun being aimed at him from behind him or can tell how many fingures somebody is holding up without seeing them, Batman doesn't do this kind of stuff. And superman, for all his super senses, needs to decide to see through the world or use his super hearing, he is not trained to be completely attuned to his senses like Daredevil is.

Batman comics do not show him doing particularly advance martial arts, he is supposed to be a "master" of all styles but in the comics he's mainly just a bruiser, like Kingpin, and there are different levels of mastery. Daredevils' mastery is an important part of the character is is not just referenced, but shown, from his training by Stick and membership in the Chaste, to his "ability to take a punch" (meaning being nearly killed) and get up, like his dad, to his being given leadership of the Hand, training with Iron Fist, etc, Marital arts mastery is a core part of the character and story line, including the more mystical parts of mastery, like master over mind and body, being able to heal himself, etc, none of these play a role in Batman. Daredevil is the better martial artist as told by the comics.

Here's a picture of Daredevil using a 400lbs barbell as a fighting staff without any effort at all. Batman is never show as being able to do stuff like that.



Batman may be bigger, but Daredevil is stronger.

He's stronger, faster, more precise, more agile, has far batter senses and is a better martial artists. But you say Baman wins because reasons. And yes, the bat-gadgets are just lame-o accessories to sell to 8 year-olds. Might be useful to have a dildo at a sex party, but nobody wants a "bat-dildo" because 8 year-olds don't have sex parties.

Daredevil would win the fight, there is no reason to believe it would be even close since he is superior in every factor that relates to fighting.

Did I just read that?

[Scraptor]

I think Batdildo should be the forum safe word for when a discussion has gone too far.

[Scraptor]

What if MU attempts to make a draft day move, but the teams of his preferred targets aren't interested, and thus nothing happens? And what if none of that leaks from the front office, which is very likely based on what has transpired thus far?

I'm just saying folks, that don't freak out and get all doom and gloom if draft day passes without any major moves, cause it's likely we will never know what MU's intentions were on that night. Maybe he tried to shake things up, and maybe it didn't work out, but it won't mean he is committed to the current roster, but just that the right moves were not available.

The issues with the team going forward aren't either/or, not option a or b, etc. There are a multitude of ways to build, rebuild, retool or whatever going forward. These forums have degenerated into tank or stick with the current team, yet we all know there are a million and one options in between.

I used to use this argument to defend some of BC's moves. His intentions always seemed aimed at fixing an obvious hole (interior D with JO, perimeter D with Marion, perimeter playmaking with Hedo), which seemed to make sense, but the results never panned out, because the moves never really fit as part of a larger strategy (see Fields, Landry). Eventually I came to agree with those who said that in the bigger scheme of things, results have to outweigh intentions.

I'm not saying we should make a lot of moves and get lots of top 10 picks to be successful. But if we move forward with this core it's going to be death by incrementalism. The safe moves of not rocking the boat will be defended as "not making a BC move" while another year passes, and before you know it we'll have gone 3 or 4 or 5 years stuck in the middle.

The only clue as to whether this build-from-the-middle strategy is going to to lead to better results is whether Masai can add talent shrewdly to an entrenched core. Moves like the Salmons deal show that it is possible. But they don't show if that's enough.

No one should be totally despondent if we do nothing on draft night. But it would be another small concern to add to a growing list of concerns; notably, that there aren't enough shrewd Salmons-like deals available to make a material impact to the team's fortunes.

[raptors999]

Is the bat dildo a passive device simply for insertion or does it vibrate. A vibrating batdildo in theory could disrupt daredevil ability to detect sonar if inserted into the anal cavity deep enough to conduct through the skeleton. Similar to a jawbone headset except implanted in the rectum. The key is to be balls deep