Poeltl & Pascal - The 2016 Draft

[tDotted]

We could move up to 6 easily.

Ross+9 for Asik+6.

Was looking at their roster to see what else they could give us to even up the deal, then the more I looked at Asik, the more I realized it's not worth it..

Pels would be happy to give us Asik.. terrible contract

[3inthekeon]

Pels would be happy to give us Asik.. terrible contract

How about Ross+27 for Asik +6?

[magoon]

The idea of swapping out Ross for Asik is a fun one - we can't afford Biyombo and Asik is at least a solid defender so having Asik as an expensive third backup C to be traded later to a team that needs him is fun.

But anyway. There's pretty much a consensus top 8 in this draft: Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Hield, Dunn, Brown, Chriss and Bender. We have the ninth pick, which is exactly where we don't want to be because #9 is the start of the third tier of this draft. (Simmons and Ingram are the first tier, the other six are the second.)

BUT: it only takes one team to reach, and then one of those six players falls to us. And somebody almost always reaches. In 2012, it was Cleveland drafting Dion Waiters #4 and us drafting Ross at 8, which is why Detroit got Andre Drummond at 9. In 2013, it was Charlotte drafting Cody Zeller fourth, which is why Nerlens Noel fell to #6. In 2015 multiple teams passed on Justise Winslow - to the point that Charlotte turned down FOUR draft picks from Boston so they could draft Frank Kaminsky instead - and everybody at the time wondered why this was happening.

So the answer of who we should draft is: whoever of the second-tier six falls to us through a twist of fate (IE when Sacramento drafts the wrong guy like they always do, or Phoenix does like they always do, or Boston reaches way too hard like they have been known to do once they can't trade the pick).

[russellhantz]

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So the answer of who we should draft is: whoever of the second-tier six falls to us through a twist of fate (IE when Sacramento drafts the wrong guy like they always do, or Phoenix does like they always do, or Boston reaches way too hard like they have been known to do once they can't trade the pick).

Good logic and i'd support that. Unfortunately the last time we drafted someone who fell to us we grabbed Ed Davis at 13 or something. At 9 perhaps there is a better chance that works out. Anyway i'm for it because i'd like to avoid this:

Granted this is a year ago, but watching this clears up any questions why skal didn't play too much at Kentucky. These guys are absolutely way too raw for our team.

[Axel]

The idea of swapping out Ross for Asik is a fun one - we can't afford Biyombo and Asik is at least a solid defender so having Asik as an expensive third backup C to be traded later to a team that needs him is fun.

But anyway. There's pretty much a consensus top 8 in this draft: Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Hield, Dunn, Brown, Chriss and Bender. We have the ninth pick, which is exactly where we don't want to be because #9 is the start of the third tier of this draft. (Simmons and Ingram are the first tier, the other six are the second.)

BUT: it only takes one team to reach, and then one of those six players falls to us. And somebody almost always reaches. In 2012, it was Cleveland drafting Dion Waiters #4 and us drafting Ross at 8, which is why Detroit got Andre Drummond at 9. In 2013, it was Charlotte drafting Cody Zeller fourth, which is why Nerlens Noel fell to #6. In 2015 multiple teams passed on Justise Winslow - to the point that Charlotte turned down FOUR draft picks from Boston so they could draft Frank Kaminsky instead - and everybody at the time wondered why this was happening.

So the answer of who we should draft is: whoever of the second-tier six falls to us through a twist of fate (IE when Sacramento drafts the wrong guy like they always do, or Phoenix does like they always do, or Boston reaches way too hard like they have been known to do once they can't trade the pick).

And if none of that happens, select Davis

[Miekenstien]

I think if its a straight up offer by the notorious low baller Danny A... then Boston goes home.

Its going to have be a two high firsts a roster player with promise and a rotation player for Butler. Two way players who are yooung and on a cap friendly deal dont come around very often....Look for Danny to try to get Love out of Cleveland.

Notorious low baller? Rumour was 4 firsts for justise last year. Offer Masai four future firsts for #9 and you get a deal.

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[Miekenstien]

I don't know, I don't usually consider scorers to be role players and I think Ellenson can come I and be a scorer at the age of 19.

Then, he's got major upside with that giant frame. However there's also bust potential if he can't learn to move on defence.

Only concern I have with ellenson is his motor. If he works hard and the coaching staff thinks he will stay consistent in his approach then he is a good pick.



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[tDotted]

How about Ross+27 for Asik +6?

If they think Ross still has huge upside, then I that could get it done. Doubt it though.

And if none of that happens, select Davis

I'd take him even if Bender fell to us.

[Miekenstien]

I'd take him even if Bender fell to us.

you chose....wrong

[meductic]

Good logic and i'd support that. Unfortunately the last time we drafted someone who fell to us we grabbed Ed Davis at 13 or something. At 9 perhaps there is a better chance that works out. Anyway i'm for it because i'd like to avoid this:

Granted this is a year ago, but watching this clears up any questions why skal didn't play too much at Kentucky. These guys are absolutely way too raw for our team.

I was at the Ed Davis draft and it was wild to watch him drop. I am not sure who we passed up to take him. Avery Bradley? Ok, but it is not like Ross over Drummond. Vasquez? Please. ED was a good pick at 13 in that draft... no home run, but a good pick. Might have done better but this is the team that picked Bargs, Hoffa, that Nathan dude from Australia, etc...
Will also be at this draft if anyone is interested in an extra ticket pm me.

[OldSkoolCool]

Running workout tally

May 19
Dejounte Murray

June 1
Demetrius Jackson (G, 6'2")
Gary Payton II (G, 6'3")
Dorian Finney-Smith (F, 6'8")
Jalen Jones (F, 6'7")
Kyle Wiltjer (F, 6'10")
Stefan Jankovic (F/C, 6'11")

June 2
Stefan Jankovic (2nd workout)
Henry Ellenson (F, 6'11")

June 5
Skal Labissiere
Juan Hernangomez
Klye Collinsworth
Jaleel Cousins
Elgin Cook
Shaq Goodwin
Ilja Gromovs
Anthony Odunsi
Torrance Rowe
Jamari Taylor

June 6
Brondon Austin (G, 6'6")
Winston Shepard (G/F, 6'8")
Jake Layman (F, 6'9")
Damian Jones (F/C, 7'0")
Diamond Stone (C, 6'10")
Stephen Zimmerman (F/C, 7'0")
Domantas Sabonis (F, 6'10")

June 8
Daniel Hamilton (G, 6'8")
Klye Collinsworth (G, 6'7")
Perry Ellis (F, 6'8")
James Webb (F, 6'9")
Guerschon Yabusele (F/C, 6'8")
Chinanu Onuaku (F/C, 6'10")

June 13
Julian Jacobs (G, 6'4")
Rasheed Sulaimon (G, 6'4")
Malcolm Brogdon (G, 6'6")
Justin Edwards (G, 6'4")
Brice Johnson (F, 6'11")
Jalen Reynolds (F, 6'10")

June 14
David Walker (G, 6'6")
Micheal Gbinije (G, 6'7")
Alex Poythress (F, 6'8")
Troy Williams (G, 6'7")
Daniel Ochefu (C, 6'11")
AJ Hammons (C, 7'0")

[Maury]

Running workout tally

May 19
Dejounte Murray

June 1
Demetrius Jackson (G, 6'2")
Gary Payton II (G, 6'3")
Dorian Finney-Smith (F, 6'8")
Jalen Jones (F, 6'7")
Kyle Wiltjer (F, 6'10")
Stefan Jankovic (F/C, 6'11")

June 2
Stefan Jankovic (2nd workout)
Henry Ellenson (F, 6'11")

June 5
Skal Labissiere
Juan Hernangomez
Klye Collinsworth
Jaleel Cousins
Elgin Cook
Shaq Goodwin
Ilja Gromovs
Anthony Odunsi
Torrance Rowe
Jamari Taylor

June 6
Brondon Austin (G, 6'6")
Winston Shepard (G/F, 6'8")
Jake Layman (F, 6'9")
Damian Jones (F/C, 7'0")
Diamond Stone (C, 6'10")
Stephen Zimmerman (F/C, 7'0")
Domantas Sabonis (F, 6'10")

June 8
Daniel Hamilton (G, 6'8")
Klye Collinsworth (G, 6'7")
Perry Ellis (F, 6'8")
James Webb (F, 6'9")
Guerschon Yabusele (F/C, 6'8")
Chinanu Onuaku (F/C, 6'10")

June 13
Julian Jacobs (G, 6'4")
Rasheed Sulaimon (G, 6'4")
Malcolm Brogdon (G, 6'6")
Justin Edwards (G, 6'4")
Brice Johnson (F, 6'11")
Jalen Reynolds (F, 6'10")

June 14
David Walker (G, 6'6")
Micheal Gbinije (G, 6'7")
Alex Poythress (F, 6'8")
Troy Williams (G, 6'7")
Daniel Ochefu (C, 6'11")
AJ Hammons (C, 7'0")

I really wish Masai would workout someone like jaylen brown just to get my hopes up.

[DogeLover1234]

I really wish Masai would workout someone like jaylen brown just to get my hopes up.

I wonder if all those guys don't want to workout for Raps cause they believe they should be picked earlier or what.

[Maury]

I wonder if all those guys don't want to workout for Raps cause they believe they should be picked earlier or what.

That's definitely why. I just want something exciting to happen.

[DogeLover1234]

That's definitely why. I just want something exciting to happen.

Maybe Masai is waiting til the draft before the big move