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I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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One thing I worry about with Carroll is if he's a rhythm shooter who needs a more structured Spurs/Hawks type of ball movement system where it's more predictable when and where his shots are coming from. He has shown little to no ability to create or shoot off the dribble, which happens frequently in the Raps system where the only thing predictable is that Lowry or DD will try to create offense. But for the other players it's somewhat unpredictable where/when/how they will be getting their open looks and they have to become experts at reading & reacting off Lowry and DD. That unpredictability is one of the strengths of the Raps system, but reacting to that might not be Carroll's strength. The guy bounced around quite a bit before finding success in Altanta - maybe there's a reason for that.
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His defense has looked fine. Even though his 3-point shooting should be better a few ticks (he's not a lights-out shooter, so I'd be happy with 36%), his D has to be his calling card to earn his role on this team.
We've been winning, so I don't see a huge amount to complain about even with Carroll. He needs to be our Bruce Bowen, and he still projects pretty well to be that.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostHis defense has looked fine. Even though his 3-point shooting should be better a few ticks (he's not a lights-out shooter, so I'd be happy with 36%), his D has to be his calling card to earn his role on this team.
We've been winning, so I don't see a huge amount to complain about even with Carroll. He needs to be our Bruce Bowen, and he still projects pretty well to be that.
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Carroll is sort of like Amir Johnson, a hustle player who had a habit of playing through injuries. Eventually, at about 10 years playing that way it will catch up to you. Now, there shouldn't be much excuse for him to be missing so many open 3's, but he can't do the little things like he used to.
Lowry and maybe JV in the future might be the same way. Lowry doesn't take charges or go for offensive rebounds like he used to, but still manages to adjust his game as he gets older. JV I think tries to play through injuries way too much.-"You can’t run from me. I mean, my heart don’t bleed Kool-Aid."
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I do think this one may end up a dark spot on Masai's resume when it's all said and done. That was a unique offseason, even the passive fan was unsatisfied after the sweep and MLSE needed to keep the we the north momentum. We weren't out bidding bostom for amir and clearly Lou will needed to go, so there was definitely pressure to make a splash with that cap space on a small forward. He's starting to look more like Landry fields than "the lebron stopper" but hey I could still be wrong, and I like most others around here supported the signing at the time so hindsight is 20/209 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostI do think this one may end up a dark spot on Masai's resume when it's all said and done. That was a unique offseason, even the passive fan was unsatisfied after the sweep and MLSE needed to keep the we the north momentum. We weren't out bidding bostom for amir and clearly Lou will needed to go, so there was definitely pressure to make a splash with that cap space on a small forward. He's starting to look more like Landry fields than "the lebron stopper" but hey I could still be wrong, and I like most others around here supported the signing at the time so hindsight is 20/20
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It's not even the shots tho, Carroll needs to be playing well above average defence. Knocking down threes to chip in a few points and keep the D honest is almost gravy.
I wonder how much Carroll's JYD/Cuck Hustle impact had a lot more to do with Atlanta's finesse roster. He doesn't stand out in that regard at all on this Raptors team."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View PostIt's not even the shots tho, Carroll needs to be playing well above average defence. Knocking down threes to chip in a few points and keep the D honest is almost gravy.
I wonder how much Carroll's JYD/Cuck Hustle impact had a lot more to do with Atlanta's finesse roster. He doesn't stand out in that regard at all on this Raptors team.
I gave him a pass last year obvs it was tough to find his footing. But so far this year he looks a lot worse, and the fanbase doesn't want to hear matt and Leo make excuses about health all broadcast. 60 million reasons why patience wears thin awfully quick.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostYeah, I knew he wouldnt shoot 40% from deep here, just not the same looks. And I admit I didn't watch a lot of hawks basketball in 2014 15, what the hell is this junkyard dog shit we were sold? He barely steals the ball, barely goes for loose balls and if he does he doesn't come up wit it, I don't recall many blocks, big boards or mucking it up inside or getting angry..He's usually just kind of..around...not to mention one of the worst finishers for a starting wing I ever recall within 2 ft of the basket.
I gave him a pass last year obvs it was tough to find his footing. But so far this year he looks a lot worse, and the fanbase doesn't want to hear matt and Leo make excuses about health all broadcast. 60 million reasons why patience wears thin awfully quick.
Agreed he can't finish inside, though to be fair, if he's trying to finish in there often he's not playing his role. Shoot, defend, rebound. That's it. The defence is coming along - he's had a couple rough games, but also a couple good ones. But bad defence is more memorable than solid defence so... And he's rebounding just fine. Play him next to Patterson more (an experienced PF you can trust to rotate correctly) and he'd look much better. Everybody's trying to do too much and failing at simple stuff like boxing out and getting beat back door because they are trying to make up for a rookie (or two) in the starting lineup. Carroll is certainly not blameless, but he's still working back into shape and he should be fine in time.
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DanH wrote: View PostHe shot 39% from three last season. Him shooting 40% here is not a reach at all.
Agreed he can't finish inside, though to be fair, if he's trying to finish in there often he's not playing his role. Shoot, defend, rebound. That's it. The defence is coming along - he's had a couple rough games, but also a couple good ones. But bad defence is more memorable than solid defence so... And he's rebounding just fine. Play him next to Patterson more (an experienced PF you can trust to rotate correctly) and he'd look much better. Everybody's trying to do too much and failing at simple stuff like boxing out and getting beat back door because they are trying to make up for a rookie (or two) in the starting lineup. Carroll is certainly not blameless, but he's still working back into shape and he should be fine in time.
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tDotted wrote: View PostTell that to Casey. He's got him and Patterson trying to "expand their game" when really all anybody needs from them is to hit shots. If they hit shots, they don't need to even touch the paint unless on defense or a fastbreak.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostYes, it's Casey's fault our fowards can't make open shots.
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Pat and Carroll need to shoot their way out of these slumps, instead of driving to the mid-range and trying to shoot floaters off the dribble - not their games at all.Last edited by golden; Tue Nov 8, 2016, 10:39 PM.
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