Paris Terror Attacks

[slaw]

That says nothing of the thousands of legitimate refugees and the support they deserve, but it does mean extra precautions should be taken. It's a messed up situation with no easy answers.

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/wp...for-the-is.pdf

There's a really simply solution to the migrant part of the war but the West doesn't have the political will to do it: no more immigration from Muslim majority countries or Muslims period. But that is not palatable to Western governments or their citizens, so it won't happen.

The ultimate solution (pardon the phrasing) will be as it always is in Europe: a bunch of people on trains going somewhere bad. I'm just not sure who is going to be on the trains....

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Was wondering when the "Nazi" comparisons would be bandied about. LOL.

Pol Pot another fiend is actually a more apt comparison though neither could reach internationally for recruits like these people who use the intoxicating effects of their religion and of course 21st century communications capability. They are still relatively small and in my view cannot sustain such acts in the same spot. It seems as well that the French & Belgians have not done a particularly good job of keeping a closer watch on people considered suspect.

[Bendit]

Check this out. It's an Islamic State internal statement outlining their plans to hide thousands of jihadists amongst the migrants to gain access to Europe. It's a memo from the Islamic State themselves, was not intended to be circulated, and was written before much of the coverage of the mass migrations became widespread. This information has been available to everyone since January, but nobody seems to have taken the time to research it. As of September this year, there were reports that as many as 4000 jihadists had already entered Europe. This isn't fear mongering, it's simply reality.

That says nothing of the thousands of legitimate refugees and the support they deserve, but it does mean extra precautions should be taken. It's a messed up situation with no easy answers.

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/wp...for-the-is.pdf

Some more light reading if you care to .......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...errorists-isis

[Uncle_Si]

Was wondering when the "Nazi" comparisons would be bandied about. LOL.

Pol Pot another fiend is actually a more apt comparison though neither could reach internationally for recruits like these people who use the intoxicating effects of their religion and of course 21st century communications capability. They are still relatively small and in my view cannot sustain such acts in the same spot. It seems as well that the French & Belgians have not done a particularly good job of keeping a closer watch on people considered suspect.

The comparison is that no one thought the nazis could or would do what they did. It's a lesson in not underestimating and discrediting the evil that is out there. Of course right now Isis isn't on the level of the Nazis, but if they are not dealt with effectively they surely could be.

[Uncle_Si]

Some more light reading if you care to .......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...errorists-isis

That article is completely contradictory to the Democrats in the debate on Friday. Bernie and Hillary told us ISIL is the result of global warming! Obviously this is the most logical explanation of ISIL and the only one worth listening to. Besides, Dems are clearly the smartest people in the room.

[Bendit]

That article is completely contradictory to the Democrats in the debate on Friday. Bernie and Hillary told us ISIL is the result of global warming! Obviously this is the most logical explanation of ISIL and the only one worth listening to. Besides, Dems are clearly the smartest people in the room.

I did not see the debate. I'll assume you are being your normal satirical self with the post. Your last sentence as it pertains to those standing to be nominee for president however....is bang on...when comparing who is available from both parties. It's so bad on your side that I hear that multiple time loser Mitt Romney is trying to elbow his way in.

[Uncle_Si]

I did not see the debate. I'll assume you are being your normal satirical self with the post. Your last sentence as it pertains to those standing to be nominee for president however....is bang on...when comparing who is available from both parties. It's so bad on your side that I hear that multiple time loser Mitt Romney is trying to elbow his way in.

That's the republican establishment trying to recover from Jebs disaster. Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are far from dumb. You might not agree with them politically but we're talking about a world renowned neurosurgeon and a guy that went to Princeton and did his law degree at Harvard.

And it's not bad at all, as a matter of fact, when you look at the republican nominees Justin would be quite proud. We've got some Cubans, a black man, a woman, far more diverse than the Old white people the dems are marching out.

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The comparison is that no one thought the nazis could or would do what they did. It's a lesson in not underestimating and discrediting the evil that is out there. Of course right now Isis isn't on the level of the Nazis, but if they are not dealt with effectively they surely could be.

The Nazi bogeyman/strawman is overused dont you think? Everytime something crazy/unusually barbaric occurs including even in the boistrous political arena that term is thrown around like confetti and mostly for cheap sensational effect.

No one is advocating avoiding the events and the causal study of it. It's just that some leaders tend to be a tad more thoughtful of the ways to go about it and mindful of all implications rather than sloganeering with the "The axis of evil" or "You are either with us or against us" bumper sticker exhortations. Many very smart people now agree that invading Iraq totally uneccessarily created fertile ground for the rise of groups like Al Qaeda in Iraq and now ISIS. The head of this group (Baghdadi) spent time in jail under the Americans in Fallujah many of his lieutenants (from Saddam's army) were also there.

[slaw]

I did not see the debate. I'll assume you are being your normal satirical self with the post. Your last sentence as it pertains to those standing to be nominee for president however....is bang on...when comparing who is available from both parties. It's so bad on your side that I hear that multiple time loser Mitt Romney is trying to elbow his way in.

I don't know. Ben Carson was one of the world's leading neurosurgeons, Ted Cruz is Harvard law, USSC clerk, solicitor general of Texas..... Trump may look like a buffoon but you don't get where he is without being smart. Paul is an ophthalmologist and Fiorina was the CEO of Hewlett Packard. Rubio's an empty suit and so is Bush but they aren't dummies.

I am not as familiar with the Democratic nominees but, as far as I can tell, they consist of an old man yelling at clouds and Bill Clinton's wife.

[Nilanka]

I don't know. Ben Carson was one of the world's leading neurosurgeons, Ted Cruz is Harvard law, USSC clerk, solicitor general of Texas..... Trump may look like a buffoon but you don't get where he is without being smart. Paul is an ophthalmologist and Fiorina was the CEO of Hewlett Packard. Rubio's an empty suit and so is Bush but they aren't dummies.

I am not as familiar with the Democratic nominees but, as far as I can tell, they consist of an old man yelling at clouds and Bill Clinton's wife.

A neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution. This guy's entire career is based on the fundamentals of biology, yet rejects its principle tenet. That's all you need to know about the merits of an Ivy League education.

[slaw]

A neurosurgeon who doesn't believe in evolution. This guy's entire career is based on the fundamentals of biology, yet rejects its principle tenet. That's all you need to know about the merits of an Ivy League education.

Fair enough with the Ivy League stuff..... but, again, pediatric neurosurgeon. He wasn't taking basket weaving and movie watching courses....

[Apollo]

Trump:

"We have no idea who these people are, we are the worst when it comes to paperwork," Trump said Monday on CNBC. "This could be one of the great Trojan horses."

"We cannot let them into this country, period," Trump said Monday. "Our country has tremendous problems. We can't have another problem."

"As far as Merkel's concerned, she ought to be ashamed of herself, what she's done," Trump said, saying there are "riots in the street" in Germany over refugees.

He added he has a lot of respect for Merkel, but not on this point.

"She blew it, when she allowed this to happen, this migration," he said.

Trump said later Monday on MSNBC that it's time to start surveillance of mosques, and said the U.S. should shut some down if they have radical leaders.

"Well you're going to have to watch and study the mosques, because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques," Trump said.

France's interior minister has advocating closing some mosques that are spreading hate, and Trump said that is something to be open to.

"Well I would hate to do it but it's something you're going to have to strongly consider," he said. "Some of the absolute hatred is coming from these areas. ... The hatred is incredible. It's embedded. The hatred is beyond belief. The hatred is greater than anybody understands."

He noted that it's a small number of Muslims who he was speaking out against, but said they have an outsized impact.

"I know so many people, Muslims, who are such unbelievably great people, and they're being so badly tarnished by what's happening now, it's a shame," Trump said. "But it's a tremendous amount of horror and damage and vitriol."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politi...ees/index.html

[Apollo]

Cruz:

In the wake of the Paris terrorist attacks, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said President Obama is not interested in protecting the United States.

“I recognize that Barack Obama does not wish to defend this country,” Cruz said on “Fox and Friends” "He may have been tired of war, but our enemies are not tired of killing us. And they’re getting stronger.”

“President Obama and Hillary Clinton’s idea that we should bring tens of thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees to America is nothing less than lunacy,” he said.

Cruz said that Muslim refugees should "be resettled in the Middle East, in majority Muslim countries." But he said Christians should be provided a safe haven in the United States because he said they are subject to "genocide." Cruz said Obama does not want to do this and has "antipathy" toward Christians.

“We ask that our leaders understand this is not some random, ill-defined random extremism, this evil, radical Islamic terrorism needs to be called out what it is, and it needs to be defeated,” he said. Cruz has, and continues to, criticize the president for being “unwilling to call radical Islamic terrorism by its name.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-this-country/

[Nilanka]

Fair enough with the Ivy League stuff..... but, again, pediatric neurosurgeon. He wasn't taking basket weaving and movie watching courses....

That tells me he's got a skilled hand and some decent bedside manner, but not sure if that translates to the critical thinking skills required to lead the most powerful nation on earth

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I don't know. Ben Carson was one of the world's leading neurosurgeons, Ted Cruz is Harvard law, USSC clerk, solicitor general of Texas..... Trump may look like a buffoon but you don't get where he is without being smart. Paul is an ophthalmologist and Fiorina was the CEO of Hewlett Packard. Rubio's an empty suit and so is Bush but they aren't dummies.

I am not as familiar with the Democratic nominees but, as far as I can tell, they consist of an old man yelling at clouds and Bill Clinton's wife.

Good grief since when did scholastic achievement become a decisive measure of what makes a good or successful president/leader. If that were the case George Bush the younger, of degrees (incl Masters) from Yale and Harvard wouldnt be vying for one of the worst presidents in history. He could well have company if Cruz somehow got elected thru a collective brain cramp of the US electorate.

I notice you managed to be both (unintentionally I hope) an ageist as well as anti feminist in describing Sanders and Clinton. While Sanders has "just a" Bachelor's from Univ of Chicago both Clinton and the other fellow OMalley are lawyers. Clinton was a practicing lawyer and partner in a law firm. Sanders has in addition the quaint quality of not wavering in his socialist views. Unelectable but true to his core beliefs...more than one can say of most pols.

Trust you understand that making a "connection" with the electorate which is as inclusive as possible with cogent and impelling argument is what serious politics is all about...not parchment on the wall. It is 2015.