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Barolt wrote: View Post3 seasons ago, when DeMar had played the same number of career minutes Ross has now, how much faith did you have that he could 'bring it' for 82 games as a starter?
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Barolt wrote: View PostThat is an awful trade. We'd be left with a bench of Patterson, CoJo, Powell, Bennett, Lee. We'd have to depend on 1-2 of the players who haven't played any significant minutes all season. We'd also have no injury insurance for Lowry, and we'd get a LOT older in a hurry while not getting good enough to beat the Cavs.
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Biyombo
9 guys, we won't play more than that in the playoffs anyway
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You can't build a contender without elite talent. The Raps don't have that.
You need to draft elite talent. It's hardly ever traded, and when it is, it's traded for other elite talent that someone drafted.
When you draft them, they are controllable. You have them locked up long-term due to Restricted FA. You have them for their prime years. Building through the draft gives you an infinitely better chance at creating a sustainable core with the same peak years.
Raps have Lowry, who is 29.3 years old, and only has 1.5 years left before he becomes an Unrestricted FA who will get the max. Demar will be making the max. They're not elite.
The Raps are so uninteresting. I doubt they'd beat hardly any eastern team in a 7-game first round playoff series.
The Knicks would beat them. Celtics would. Wiz swept them last year. I've watched tons of eastern team and, like always, the Raps would choke.
Boring.
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Radojevic wrote: View PostYou can't build a contender without elite talent. The Raps don't have that.
You need to draft elite talent. It's hardly ever traded, and when it is, it's traded for other elite talent that someone drafted.
When you draft them, they are controllable. You have them locked up long-term due to Restricted FA. You have them for their prime years. Building through the draft gives you an infinitely better chance at creating a sustainable core with the same peak years.
Raps have Lowry, who is 29.3 years old, and only has 1.5 years left before he becomes an Unrestricted FA who will get the max. Demar will be making the max. They're not elite.
The Raps are so uninteresting. I doubt they'd beat hardly any eastern team in a 7-game first round playoff series.
The Knicks would beat them. Celtics would. Wiz swept them last year. I've watched tons of eastern team and, like always, the Raps would choke.
Boring.Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
Because its 2015
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Actually a few of the top teams right now have traded for elite talents to help them be as good as they are:
- Love in Cleveland
- Harden in Houston
- CP3 in Los Angeles
Also even when the guys are drafted it doesn't necessarily mean they were tanked for or drafted super-high.
- Curry was 7th overall
- Paul George was 10th overall
- Jimmy Butler was 30th overall
- Kawhi Leonard was 15th overall
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WTF is "elite talent"? Top 5 in the NBA? Top 10? Top 20?
Good fucking luck drafting it, because that's exactly what you need.
Top 15 in NBA by RPM Wins:
Westbrook, Curry, Green, Lowry, Leonard, James, Jordan, Millsap, George, Harden, Bosh, Durant, Butler, Love, Paul.
James is the only player in that group drafted #1 overall.
Six in that group weren't even lottery picks, with three drafted in the second round.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostWTF is "elite talent"? Top 5 in the NBA? Top 10? Top 20?
Good fucking luck drafting it, because that's exactly what you need.
Top 15 in NBA by RPM Wins:
Westbrook, Curry, Green, Lowry, Leonard, James, Jordan, Millsap, George, Harden, Bosh, Durant, Butler, Love, Paul.
James is the only player in that group drafted #1 overall.
Six in that group weren't even lottery picks, with three drafted in the second round.
7 were drafted in the top 5.
Yes, you need luck drafting top talent but the degree of luck drastically decreases the higher you're picking in the lottery.
There is no guaranteed method for securing elite NBA talent but the high end of the draft gives the best chance.
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Radojevic wrote: View PostYou can't build a contender without elite talent. The Raps don't have that.
You need to draft elite talent. It's hardly ever traded, and when it is, it's traded for other elite talent that someone drafted.
When you draft them, they are controllable. You have them locked up long-term due to Restricted FA. You have them for their prime years. Building through the draft gives you an infinitely better chance at creating a sustainable core with the same peak years.
Raps have Lowry, who is 29.3 years old, and only has 1.5 years left before he becomes an Unrestricted FA who will get the max. Demar will be making the max. They're not elite.
The Raps are so uninteresting. I doubt they'd beat hardly any eastern team in a 7-game first round playoff series.
The Knicks would beat them. Celtics would. Wiz swept them last year. I've watched tons of eastern team and, like always, the Raps would choke.
Boring.
By literally any metric you use, Lowry's an elite player. The only actual issue is we wear him out."My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Just Is wrote: View PostCalling BS on this one.
By literally any metric you use, Lowry's an elite player. The only actual issue is we wear him out.
Now if only our coach could find some time where Lowry sits on the bench now and again...
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mcHAPPY wrote: View Post7 were drafted in the top 5.
Yes, you need luck drafting top talent but the degree of luck drastically decreases the higher you're picking in the lottery.
There is no guaranteed method for securing elite NBA talent but the high end of the draft gives the best chance.
If anything, 3inthekeon's list makes an even stronger case for the importance of player development (vs. drafting high), given how many top 5 picks DON'T make that list. I.E. Bad franchises, coaches, etc..., can even f*ck up elite talent.
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golden wrote: View PostDrastically..... as in having 10 Powerball tickets vs. only 1.
If anything, 3inthekeon's list makes an even stronger case for the importance of player development (vs. drafting high), given how many top 5 picks DON'T make that list. I.E. Bad franchises, coaches, etc..., can even f*ck up elite talent.
Regardless, bottom line was a top 5 pick gave about a 40% chance of being an all-star.
That is a bit better odds than a PowerBall ticket....or 10.
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Just Is wrote: View PostCalling BS on this one.
By literally any metric you use, Lowry's an elite player. The only actual issue is we wear him out.
So we'll re-sign Lowry when he's 31 to a max deal. What's our window? 1 year? Maybe 2? Yay. Meanwhile, teams like Orlando, Boston, Washington, New York, probably Philly, Detroit, etc, will be passing us by because they have a young core of elite talent.
We are stuck in purgatory until we draft a star. Uberstar, superstar, super-duper star, whatever. Porzingis is already a star. Drummond, Smart, Oladipo, Wall, etc. What do we have? Nothing. The Raps have poop and everyone knows it. We are irrelevant.
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