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tDotted wrote: View PostSo the coach has no effect on things like team defense? Interesting
Obviously a coach has an impact on implementing and monitoring systems, etc. but these are largely big picture, strategic concepts worked out in the offseason and implemented during training camp and the early season. Tweaks might be made throughout the course of a season but they are largely minor because teams don't have the time to re-invent themselves in February. The idea that a team that was putrid defensively was going to be fixed with some adjustments during a playoff series in April is facile. I'm not absolving Casey of blame for the bad defense last year but that ship sailed long, long before the playoffs and tactical changes weren't going to fix it by that point.
Larger perspective, it's often comforting and empowering to think that with a few adjustments here or there or some new bold thinking we can transform groups, teams, etc. but there are almost no examples of that working in the real world. It typically takes strategic planning, personnel changes and long lead times. In other words, the seeds of the fuck-ups from last year were planted in the offseason when certain personnel and strategic decisions were made. You don't fix problems like that with tactical brilliance....
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JWash wrote: View PostIs Zach Lowe a Raptors fan? He talks about us a lot more than other teams it seems like.
Also, he calls us the drakes9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Barolt wrote: View PostWe're an interesting team for a lot of statistical reasons. We win a lot of games, but are a statistical outlier in a lot of categories.
Other than the lineups thing, the Raptors pass the sniff test of a very good team.
- We're one of the best 3PT shooting teams in the league
- We limit other team's 3PT attempts well
- Efficient on offense because we take a ton of FTs and shoot 3s at a high clip
- Defend the pick and roll very well, and in general are very good defensively
- Have a deep roster
- Have a near-superstar level player as well as a great all-star level partner for him (which is sort of mandatory for top teams)
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slaw wrote: View PostYes, cause that's what I wrote..... come on, now.
Obviously a coach has an impact on implementing and monitoring systems, etc. but these are largely big picture, strategic concepts worked out in the offseason and implemented during training camp and the early season. Tweaks might be made throughout the course of a season but they are largely minor because teams don't have the time to re-invent themselves in February. The idea that a team that was putrid defensively was going to be fixed with some adjustments during a playoff series in April is facile. I'm not absolving Casey of blame for the bad defense last year but that ship sailed long, long before the playoffs and tactical changes weren't going to fix it by that point.
Larger perspective, it's often comforting and empowering to think that with a few adjustments here or there or some new bold thinking we can transform groups, teams, etc. but there are almost no examples of that working in the real world. It typically takes strategic planning, personnel changes and long lead times. In other words, the seeds of the fuck-ups from last year were planted in the offseason when certain personnel and strategic decisions were made. You don't fix problems like that with tactical brilliance....
It would be insanity to suggest that it was a smart coaching adjustment to start a 6'8" rookie at center and have that be the key move to winning a championship.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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JWash wrote: View PostThere's this narrative here that heavy minutes are what causes injuries, and I haven't really seen any proof of that idea, while on the other hand there is a fair bit of evidence to the contrary (going back and looking at the guys who've played the heaviest minutes per game in the league every year, there doesn't appear to be much correlation between that and getting injured).
2012 From ESPN
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...-title-chances
"3,000 minutes in a regular season means not missing a game in an 82-game season, while playing a mighty 37 minutes every outing.
Somehow, this is quite common: Over the last 20 years, players have passed that high bar an incredible 324 times. And beginning with the era of Michael Jordan's Bulls, such players commonly won titles -- 11 of 13 champions starred iron men in the 3,000 club, very often Jordan himself.
But something changed in the NBA about the time Larry Brown's Pistons won the title. Over the last seven years, since Ben Wallace in 2004, NBA players have played beyond the 3,000-minute mark in the regular season nearly 100 times. The players who have done that are essentially a who's who of NBA studs. The vast majority are All-Stars, and many have won titles. The names include LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Pau Gasol, Blake Griffin, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Chris Bosh.
But interestingly, when those players played those heavy regular-season minutes, do you know how many of them won titles?
In the last seven years: Zero.
They all won their titles in seasons when they played fewer than 3,000 regular-season minutes.
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Even though I looked strictly at the three players with the heaviest minutes on title teams, we didn't find many players logging crazy minutes. Over the last 20 years, this group has averaged 2,706 minutes per 82-game season, or 33 minutes a game.
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Here's a guess as to why coaches play their best players such long minutes: Because they're scared. Scared of lots of things. Scared of losing, scared of looking dumb and -- in an industry where the average job lasts just a few years -- scared of getting fired. The reality is that almost every coach in the NBA is on the hot seat every year.
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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1297...2015-playoffs/
Player trainer David Thorpe told ESPN that the rule changes in the NBA, such as the handcheck rules, have made basically every minute played more intense, which would mean fewer minutes doesn’t necessarily equal a lighter workload.
“Being an NBA player is far more work now. Tom Thibodeau is the guy who figured out how to take advantage of the new rules. And watch his teams. The minutes now are so much more intense. There is movement all the time, unless you’re guarding isolation, which is rare. And it’s movement towards action. There’s more contact. There’s more mental fatigue. There’s more to do,” Thorpe said.
“Ask coaches who were in the league before and after, like Rick Adelman or Pat Riley. They’ll tell you. There’s just so much more to defense these days.”
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Heck, even the NBA acknowledges the relationship, which is partially why shorter schedules are being discussed.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...orter-schedule
The NBA is consulting with specialists to glean data about how denser elements of the NBA schedule impact performance and injury. The players union has hired a full-time sports scientist, Joe Rogowski, formerly of the Houston Rockets, and the league formed a 20-person injury prevention committee in early July headed by Dr. John DiFiori, the NBA director of sports medicine and a former president of the American Medical Society for Sports Medicine.
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Fatigue is a main factor in injuries, I don't think you can find anything to dispute that (obviously some injuries are fluke). Heavy minutes contribute to that fatigue and it was painfully obvious last year that we had a problem.
slaw wrote: View PostThere was another thread a while back where people (I can't remember who but I remember the thread) were suggesting that a 10% reduction in playing time would result in a 10% reduction in the risk of injury and trying to figure out how that played out over a game, a season - it doesn't work like that.Last edited by Axel; Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:50 PM.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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slaw wrote: View PostYes, cause that's what I wrote..... come on, now.
Obviously a coach has an impact on implementing and monitoring systems, etc. but these are largely big picture, strategic concepts worked out in the offseason and implemented during training camp and the early season. Tweaks might be made throughout the course of a season but they are largely minor because teams don't have the time to re-invent themselves in February. The idea that a team that was putrid defensively was going to be fixed with some adjustments during a playoff series in April is facile. I'm not absolving Casey of blame for the bad defense last year but that ship sailed long, long before the playoffs and tactical changes weren't going to fix it by that point.
Larger perspective, it's often comforting and empowering to think that with a few adjustments here or there or some new bold thinking we can transform groups, teams, etc. but there are almost no examples of that working in the real world. It typically takes strategic planning, personnel changes and long lead times. In other words, the seeds of the fuck-ups from last year were planted in the offseason when certain personnel and strategic decisions were made. You don't fix problems like that with tactical brilliance....Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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Barolt wrote: View PostYou're totally right. In 1980, when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar went down in game 5 of the NBA finals, there was nothing Paul Westhead could do to turn the series around. Clearly, an injury to the team's best player meant that the 76ers were sure to win that series.
It would be insanity to suggest that it was a smart coaching adjustment to start a 6'8" rookie at center and have that be the key move to winning a championship.
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slaw wrote: View PostYes, Paul Westhead was a coaching genius. That's why the Lakers won Game 6 in 1980. That's the key lesson to draw from the 1980s and the career of Magic Johnson.
Next reply: We all know Casey never plays rookiesTwo beer away from being two beers away.
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slaw wrote: View PostYes, Paul Westhead was a coaching genius. That's why the Lakers won Game 6 in 1980. That's the key lesson to draw from the 1980s and the career of Magic Johnson.
You were implying that in-game and between-game adjustments don't make a big difference. Starting Magic at center in that game is the biggest example of them making a large difference.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostThe point was, adjustments made in season and in the playoffs can be very, very important.
You were implying that in-game and between-game adjustments don't make a big difference. Starting Magic at center in that game is the biggest example of them making a large difference.
I'm not convinced that Dwayne Casey couldn't have figured that out.
Theres arguments for Casey's failures to adjust (though the team was pretty limited last season by the playoffs imo) particularly with JJ but Casey can get better to and he has shown signs of adapting (See how his staggering of DeMar and Lowry has been near perfect)
I think the conensus by the so called NBA expert class is that Casey is a pretty solid coach who has improved.
Obviously, we have to wait and see abit with the rest of the season and the playoffs for a fuller analysis.
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