Game 64: Miami Heat 104 -Toronto Raptors 112

[Barolt]

Granted sometimes JV does have a better defensive game than Biz, but a few posters on this board are the only people who actually think JV is a better overall defender.

People who are in love are often blind to the truth.

But love IS grand.

That's not a terrible argument, there are stats that show that bismack is a better defender than JV. But...

Those same stats show that the player who hurts us the most defensively is DeMar.

So if it's about defense, offense be damned, then DeMar should be sat in those situations too. If it's about both ends of the floor, then JV should be left on the floor.

[3inthekeon]

That's not a terrible argument, there are stats that show that bismack is a better defender than JV. But...

Those same stats show that the player who hurts us the most defensively is DeMar.

So if it's about defense, offense be damned, then DeMar should be sat in those situations too. If it's about both ends of the floor, then JV should be left on the floor.

Casey SHOULD sit DeMar in those situations where he brings in Biz just for a defensive possession.

Even more so, because JV is not a bad defender, but DD is.

[Barolt]

Casey SHOULD sit DeMar in those situations where he brings in Biz just for a defensive possession.

Even more so, because JV is not a bad defender, but DD is.

I'm not sure which is the correct method. Sitting JV and DeMar or leaving both out. But sitting JV and leaving DeMar out makes no sense. JV is a better defender, and a more efficient scorer.

[Chr1s1anL]

BB is in our most productive lineup. This 4 on 5 on offense is getting kind of stale.

[Chr1s1anL]

It's pretty obvious what Casey doing. He knows his guards struggle defending perimeter penetration. So he puts his best rim protector out there. JV would be out there if he wasn't allowing like 55% at the rim.

[special1]

That's not a terrible argument, there are stats that show that bismack is a better defender than JV. But...

Those same stats show that the player who hurts us the most defensively is DeMar.

So if it's about defense, offense be damned, then DeMar should be sat in those situations too. If it's about both ends of the floor, then JV should be left on the floor.

Lol

Comparing JV to DD offensively is a flawed argument.

It feels like almost half of JV's offense last game came from Demar breaking down the defence and dumping it in to JV for easy layups and dunks. If you count JJ's drives as well, you see that JV actually doesn't create much offense on his own.

BIG difference between the two.

Demar has a myriad of offensive moves and JV doesn't. I don't understand why people ignore the fact that due to style or whatever, the guy just isn't a dominant offensive player. Comparing him to someone who's an all-star and top 10 scorer is ridiculous.

Not to mention that Biz is more mobile and overall is a better defender.


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[Barolt]

BB is in our most productive lineup. This 4 on 5 on offense is getting kind of stale.

DeMar isn't in our most productive lineup. This 4 on 5 defense is getting kind of stale.

See how making baseless statements doesn't help anyone?

[Barolt]

Lol

Comparing JV to DD offensively is a flawed argument.

It feels like almost half of JV's offense last game came from Demar breaking down the defence and dumping it in to JV for easy layups and dunks. If you count JJ's drives as well, you see that JV actually doesn't create much offense on his own.

BIG difference between the two.

Demar has a myriad of offensive moves and JV doesn't. I don't understand why people ignore the fact that due to style or whatever, the guy just isn't a dominant offensive player. Comparing him to someone who's an all-star and top 10 scorer is ridiculous.

Not to mention that Biz is more mobile and overall is a better defender.


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You do realize that JV is having the best season any Raptor has ever had in terms of WS/48?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...r_by=ws_per_48

List of Raptors ever who have had a season with greater than .150 WS/48, 20 PER and 55% true shooting while playing at least 1000 minutes.

Can we stop pretending that JV isn't very, very good?

[Chr1s1anL]

DeMar isn't in our most productive lineup. This 4 on 5 defense is getting kind of stale.

See how making baseless statements doesn't help anyone?

What with you and DD? Why does everything lead back to DD with you? DD is an all-star stop comparing him to role players.

[Barolt]

What with you and DD? Why does everything lead back to DD with you? DD is an all-star stop comparing him to role players.

What's with you and JV?

Honestly, I have no issue with DeMar, but your statement about JV that I replied to made as little sense as the statement I made.

JV isn't a 'role player'.

[Chr1s1anL]

What's with you and JV?

Honestly, I have no issue with DeMar, but your statement about JV that I replied to made as little sense as the statement I made.

JV isn't a 'role player'.

Sorry stop comparing a starter to an All-star.

[Barolt]

Sorry stop comparing a starter to an All-star.

JV is having, in many statistical measures, one of the greatest seasons a Raptor has ever had. Stop underestimating him just because we under-utilize him.

[special1]

You do realize that JV is having the best season any Raptor has ever had in terms of WS/48?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...r_by=ws_per_48

List of Raptors ever who have had a season with greater than .150 WS/48, 20 PER and 55% true shooting while playing at least 1000 minutes.

Can we stop pretending that JV isn't very, very good?

Here we go again with you.

None of that matter. Stop pretending that JV is the best Raptor player ever.....The guy doesn't even finish all the games because of issues defensively.

JV is solid but he isn't nearly as good as you try to make it seem. He has limited offense compared to the other upcoming Centers. His impact is solid, but nothing special. We did just fine when he was injured and Biz started.

Throw out some advanced stats to show that he's having the best season of any Raptor ever..... No one believes you. It's nonsense and you know it. Kyle Lowry is having a better year this year. Demar is having a better year this year.

A guy that puts up 13 points and 9 rebounds as a starter and sits because of his defensive immobility is really nothing special.





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[Chr1s1anL]

JV is having, in many statistical measures, one of the greatest seasons a Raptor has ever had. Stop underestimating him just because we under-utilize him.

The stats might say that but, his play certainly is not one of the best Raptors of all time.

[ogi]

Here we go again with you.

None of that matter. Stop pretending that JV is the best Raptor player ever.....The guy doesn't even finish all the games because of issues defensively.

JV is solid but he isn't nearly as good as you try to make it seem. He has limited offense compared to the other upcoming Centers. His impact is solid, but nothing special. We did just fine when he was injured and Biz started.

Throw out some advanced stats to show that he's having the best season of any Raptor ever..... No one believes you. It's nonsense and you know it. Kyle Lowry is having a better year this year. Demar is having a better year this year.

A guy that puts up 13 points and 9 rebounds as a starter and sits because of his defensive immobility is really nothing special.





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Yes his role on this team more or less limits him to taking shots that are typically high percentage shots. Would his efficiency drop if he had a more diverse and prominent role in the offense? Most likely it would, but that shouldn't really be held against him. He's very good at the things that he does on the court