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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Really happy for Freddy. Here's a guy, who really has no business being on a NBA roster, was once a 4th string player, and here he is looking great and potentially pushing a 1st round draft pick for minutes. Slowly turning into one of my favourite players to watch on this squad.
    Yep, I would love to see him get some PT this year, both because I like the guy and I think he is a good basketball player.

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    Time to bring this puppy back up to the front and give Fred some respect.

    He has been asked to contribute and he has come through admirably for an undrafted 3rd string point guard. He has been leading the bench unit and doing a pretty good job. Better with Lowry on the floor of course, but his 3pt shot seems to be coming around.

    Always happy to see and underdog doing well.
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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Time to bring this puppy back up to the front and give Fred some respect.

    He has been asked to contribute and he has come through admirably for an undated 3rd string point guard. He has been leading the bench unit and doing a pretty good job. Better with Lowry on the floor of corset, but his 3pt shot seems to be coming around.

    Always happy to see and underdog doing well.
    Agreed he's playing very well. I don't know what we're gonna do when we're completely healthy again. How are we gonna play all of Jakob, Pascal, OG, Norm, CJ, Delon and Van Vleet. a couple guys are gonna get kicked out the lineup or have their minutes brought down significantly.
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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Time to bring this puppy back up to the front and give Fred some respect.

    He has been asked to contribute and he has come through admirably for an undated 3rd string point guard. He has been leading the bench unit and doing a pretty good job. Better with Lowry on the floor of corset, but his 3pt shot seems to be coming around.

    Always happy to see and underdog doing well.
    The joys of auto-correct.

    A few weeks back a lot of posters thought FVV should only be playing garbage time. So last night, he plays only 16 minutes and gets removed with 6 1/2 minutes left because he's now too good and valuable to be playing garbage time.
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    I am sure Freddy goes on lots of dates and fat Lowry is not back so doesn't need corset.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    The joys of auto-correct.

    A few weeks back a lot of posters thought FVV should only be playing garbage time. So last night, he plays only 16 minutes and gets removed with 6 1/2 minutes left because he's now too good and valuable to be playing garbage time.
    He's playing well, no doubt about that. But to have him closing in close games is still ridiculous.
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    Quote Gonzz wrote: View Post
    I am sure Freddy goes on lots of dates and fat Lowry is not back so doesn't need corset.
    Thanks guys. Auto correct should be called "auto mistake."

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    Yeah, he's been great. He has the same limitations as always, and benefits as much as usual playing almost exclusively against bench players, but his effort and energy has been a welcome addition to the closing units he's appeared in, enough to make up for his shortcomings, so far at least, and for the most part.

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    Great to see him hitting his 3s. We need all the perimeter shooting we can get.

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    What did i say? give him consistent playing time and he's going to shine.

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    What did i say? give him consistent playing time and he's going to shine.
    Heís still not better than delon.

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    Other than the Indy game and maybe against NOP, he's been pretty 'meh'. I'm real happy for Fred, but he's still a borderline 2nd-to-3rd string PG, by NBA standards. Easiest commodity to find in the NBA.

    At his height, he should be a way above average 3-pt shooter to make up for his limitations - that would really help the team and would sway me big time. Love his workmanlike attitude and intangibles.

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    He’s still not better than delon.
    Exactly. But as I've said many times he's still a good player and I'm happy he's playing well while Delon is out. But even though he can shoot it better he's still not better than Delon as an overall player
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    Quote Maury wrote: View Post
    He’s still not better than delon.
    Yes he is.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Yes he is.
    Delon is an infinitely better defender because of his size and length. Heís a better finisher in the paint because of his length and size. Heís a far better ball handler and can handle pressure more effectively. He is a better laser because he can see over the defence and has a better feel for the game. The only thing that Fred is marginally better at is shooting, but Fred isnít a good enough shooter to make a big enough difference so it doesnít matter.

    Donít get me wrong, Fred is a guy who gives you big time effort in every minute he plays and I love that but effort doesnít make up for lack of talent, and delon is very talented.

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    Quote Maury wrote: View Post
    Delon is an infinitely better defender because of his size and length. He’s a better finisher in the paint because of his length and size. He’s a far better ball handler and can handle pressure more effectively. He is a better laser because he can see over the defence and has a better feel for the game. The only thing that Fred is marginally better at is shooting, but Fred isn’t a good enough shooter to make a big enough difference so it doesn’t matter.

    Don’t get me wrong, Fred is a guy who gives you big time effort in every minute he plays and I love that but effort doesn’t make up for lack of talent, and delon is very talented.
    Well okay hmm. But I mean, isn't he roughly as tall as Lowry? And yet Lowry makes up for these limitations with hustle, hard play, and all. As well as great 3 point shooting. So if Vanvleet improves at a good rate over the next few years, learns from Lowry... why couldn't he become something similar?

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    Quote NeedTristanThompson wrote: View Post
    Well okay hmm. But I mean, isn't he roughly as tall as Lowry? And yet Lowry makes up for these limitations with hustle, hard play, and all. As well as great 3 point shooting. So if Vanvleet improves at a good rate over the next few years, learns from Lowry... why couldn't he become something similar?
    Well, Lowry's late rise to fame was already an incredible story. VanVleet is well behind where Lowry was at his age, and even at his experience level. So if VanVleet has the same incredible improvement, it is probably to the level of "decent starter." And that is exceedingly unlikely. But we have a team built on exceedingly unlikely, so it's possible, but if we are dealing in possibilities, we should then extend Wright the same benefit of the doubt.

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    Big difference between young Kyle and VV is athleticism. Young Kyle had it, was a calling card on his scouting report. VV doesn't, which may have been the major reason, even more than his height, he went undrafted.
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    VV is getting a chance. He is surrounded by players who have been given chances and improved their games and played their way into the rotation. If that doesn't make him work hard, and give Masai another chance to grab an improving young player on an excellent contract, I don't know what will.

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    Quote Maury wrote: View Post
    Delon is an infinitely better defender because of his size and length. Heís a better finisher in the paint because of his length and size. Heís a far better ball handler and can handle pressure more effectively. He is a better laser because he can see over the defence and has a better feel for the game. The only thing that Fred is marginally better at is shooting, but Fred isnít a good enough shooter to make a big enough difference so it doesnít matter.

    Donít get me wrong, Fred is a guy who gives you big time effort in every minute he plays and I love that but effort doesnít make up for lack of talent, and delon is very talented.
    I think Fred is more than marginally better at shooting, and shooting is pretty much the biggest deal out of any of those talents for a point guard. Not saying he's better than Delon, but as a secondary ball handler when Lowry is already on the floor, you can see why he'd be more useful to have on the court as a 5th option - which is why he's been getting crunch time minutes that Delon mostly had not been getting.

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