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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostDeMar has played really bad. Feel better Jangles?
The same logic should be used for JV, but for some reason some people seem to want to panic about a rough couple weeks for JV meaning he can't carry a heavier load, or doesn't have the conditioning for a long season, or will underperform this year. Which is of course ridiculous - it's possible any of those things are true, but his Olympic performance is not evidence of any of them, just like DD's poor showing is not evidence he'll suddenly be 3rd-4th year DeRozan again.
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DanH wrote: View PostI think the real false dichotomy is this: if DeMar plays bad, no one worries he's going to suck in the regular season. We have seasons of evidence, we know what sort of NBA player DeMar is, what his strengths and weaknesses are, barring any incremental improvements, so we don't panic that he is suddenly bad just because he had a poor Olympics.
The same logic should be used for JV, but for some reason some people seem to want to panic about a rough couple weeks for JV meaning he can't carry a heavier load, or doesn't have the conditioning for a long season, or will underperform this year. Which is of course ridiculous - it's possible any of those things are true, but his Olympic performance is not evidence of any of them, just like DD's poor showing is not evidence he'll suddenly be 3rd-4th year DeRozan again.@Chr1st1anL
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI was never one of the people that said it would continue into the regular season. JV will be fine once his back to playing with high quality guards. He won't be the main focus of every defence anymore. There's absolutely nothing to worry about when it come to his Olympic play. The only thing worrisome is what his coach said about him.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI was never one of the people that said it would continue into the regular season. JV will be fine once his back to playing with high quality guards. He won't be the main focus of every defence anymore. There's absolutely nothing to worry about when it come to his Olympic play. The only thing worrisome is what his coach said about him.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI was never one of the people that said it would continue into the regular season. JV will be fine once his back to playing with high quality guards. He won't be the main focus of every defence anymore. There's absolutely nothing to worry about when it come to his Olympic play. The only thing worrisome is what his coach said about him.
Also, I don't know why one would worry about what his coach said. Do we trust this coach over guys like Casey and Masai, who have been effusive in their praise of JV's work ethic and desire to get better?
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Barolt wrote: View PostI bristle a little bit at the idea that all the credit for JV's improvement over the last few years belongs to 'high quality guards'. When he gets offensive rebounds and dominated the Pacers and Heat that way in the playoffs, while our 'high quality guards' were chucking brick after brick, that credit shouldn't go to the 'high quality guards' who couldn't shoot, it should go to the guy doing the work down low.
When a team's main focus is to take way two players on offence it free up other players. Miami and Indianna picked thier poison. They decided to do whatever it took to take K Low/Deebo out the game. Which left JV in one on one situation with no helping coming. Also left him on the glass with most likely a rotating wing try to box him out. Which the JV will win the that match 10 out 10 times.@Chr1st1anL
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI'm not saying they should take the credit for JV's improvements over the years but, they do make the game a lot easier on JV.
When a team's main focus is to take way two players on offence it free up other players. Miami and Indianna picked thier poison. They decided to do whatever it took to take K Low/Deebo out the game. Which left JV in one on one situation with no helping coming. Also left him on the glass with most likely a rotating wing try to box him out. Which the JV will win the that match 10 out 10 times.
They don't do that.
They #EmptyTheClip, even when Paul George is defending DeRozan and shutting him down completely for an entire series.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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DanH wrote: View PostBut this is exactly the issue. You are using this offseason as evidence that IF JV was put in a role with more focus on him (say, cutting back our guards' usage and running a three pronged attack), that he would struggle. I'm saying that's a fiar assertion, but that this summer is in no way any real evidence to support that. Just like this summer is not evidence that DeRozan is now the worst defender in the entire world - he's not, in spite of his worst-defender-in-the-world on-off splits this summer.
Also, I don't know why one would worry about what his coach said. Do we trust this coach over guys like Casey and Masai, who have been effusive in their praise of JV's work ethic and desire to get better?@Chr1st1anL
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Barolt wrote: View PostThis theory would work if, when confronted with a defense designed to stop Lowry and DeRozan, they then switched into facilitator mode to take advantage of the players the defense wasn't trying to stop.
They don't do that.
They #EmptyTheClip, even when Paul George is defending DeRozan and shutting him down completely for an entire series.@Chr1st1anL
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostOnce again your putting words in my mouth. I didn't say his showing shows that he can't handle more usage. As long as you have the second best backcourt in the world no team will ever be able to pressure JV like they did these last two weeks. The focus will always be on K Low/Deebo.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostThat wasn't Casey's a game plan though. Casey pretty much said you can keep trying to stop DD and K Low with all you got but, than JV/Biz are going to kill you guys on the glass. He also knew that K Low and Deebo would step up in the big games. By the looks of it the plan worked.
DeRozan himself acknowledged that the Raptors’ depth should force the Pacers into adjustments that he and Lowry could exploit. In the punch-counterpunch of a playoff series, Valanciunas’s easy 23 points on Monday smacked Indiana right in the chops.
“I think this is the right time for other guys to open things up for us,” DeRozan said. “I’m pretty sure they are going to be worried about JV next game.”
Later, asked what he was happy with over his first two games, DeRozan said something that should give his coach pause: He said he was pleased he kept shooting, and that he wouldn’t want to finish with just a handful of attempts.
And that gets back to Casey’s assessment of whether the team could win without him scoring.
“If DeMar is a facilitator and is making plays for other guys, yes, I think, no question, because I think we have other capable guys,” the coach said.
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