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golden wrote: View PostRaps could ask for Muscala back to replace Patterson as a stretch PF and send back Carroll. Something like this....
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When was the last time a soon to become free agent all-star caliber player was traded at the deadline? Seems like some of these trades have a lot of depth going back the other way. Not sure I like having 2Pat, Ross AND Carroll traded. The bench mob would become pretty thin.
If Bud still likes Carroll then he and Wright or Poeltl with a pick, used as a sweetener, should be enough of a package. And then grab a scrub back to make the deal work. If he wants an expiring contract so that he can use free agency to get better than Sully&Ross should be sufficient, or 2Pat and Joseph (if they want a quality PG instead of another wing player).
Ibaka was had for Ilyasova, Sabonis and Oladipo. That was considered an over pay one that Masai didn't feel he should beat. And that was with having Ibaka for a full season and not just 2-3 months.
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planetmars wrote: View PostWhen was the last time a soon to become free agent all-star caliber player was traded at the deadline? Seems like some of these trades have a lot of depth going back the other way. Not sure I like having 2Pat, Ross AND Carroll traded. The bench mob would become pretty thin.
If Bud still likes Carroll then he and Wright or Poeltl with a pick, used as a sweetener, should be enough of a package. And then grab a scrub back to make the deal work. If he wants an expiring contract so that he can use free agency to get better than Sully&Ross should be sufficient, or 2Pat and Joseph (if they want a quality PG instead of another wing player).
Ibaka was had for Ilyasova, Sabonis and Oladipo. That was considered an over pay one that Masai didn't feel he should beat. And that was with having Ibaka for a full season and not just 2-3 months.
Millsap & Korver --> Ross & Poeltl & Sullinger & Wright & 1st round pick
Atlanta gets 3 prospects and a 1st round pick, along with salary relief.
Toronto gets a starting PF who projects to fit well with both Lowry/DeRozan and JV, replaces Ross' shooting with Korver, and keeps key bench players (ie: Patterson & Joseph).Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue Jan 3, 2017, 04:25 PM.
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When was the last time a soon to become free agent all-star caliber player was traded at the deadline?
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slaw wrote: View PostMelo? Was Pau a FA to be when the Grizz shipped him to LA? I can't remember. Those are the two that come to mind in recent memory and I don't think either of them are very good precedents to try and figure out what Milsap is worth.
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slamdunk23 wrote: View PostRondo, D-Will, Dragic, IT, Kidd, AI, Bogut & Ellis were all traded mid-season too.
Of course, depends on what ATL wants and what else is out there but Toronto could absolutely put together a package similar to that one without losing much and gaining a lot.
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Millsap on trade talk: "Everybody knows where my heart is and where I want to be."
— Chris Vivlamore (@CVivlamoreAJC) January 3, 2017
Me: And that's here?
Millsap: "That would be here, yes."
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slaw wrote: View PostThe Rondo deal seems like a decent comp: Jameer Nelson, Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright, and first and second rounders) for Rondo and filler.
Of course, depends on what ATL wants and what else is out there but Toronto could absolutely put together a package similar to that one without losing much and gaining a lot.
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rocwell wrote: View PostMillsap on trade talk: "Everybody knows where my heart is and where I want to be."
— Chris Vivlamore (@CVivlamoreAJC) January 3, 2017
Me: And that's here?
Millsap: "That would be here, yes."
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rocwell wrote: View PostMillsap on trade talk: "Everybody knows where my heart is and where I want to be."
— Chris Vivlamore (@CVivlamoreAJC) January 3, 2017
Me: And that's here?
Millsap: "That would be here, yes."
LaMarcus Aldridge in 2015: "I want to be the best Blazer -- ever," Aldridge said. "If I stay the rest of my career, I should be able to catch Clyde by then. I should be able to leave a mark on a big-time franchise that is going to be seen forever. And I will be able to say I played here my whole career. This city has embraced me and grown with me. I have so much history, it just makes sense to stay."
etc etc etc
he's doing the dance, as he knows he has to
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Any trade involving Millsap has to account for the following things:
1. They have Dwight as their starting center, he's playing well for them on a fair contract, and aren't going to move him for anything short of a superstar (and really, they'd sooner pair the superstar with Dwight anyway).
2. They have a glut of wings - Korver, Thabo, Bazemore, Tim Hardaway Jr., Prince and Bembry. They probably don't want another wing unless they can move a wing out. (Ross is better than any single one of those players, though.)
3. They really, really want Bazemore gone if they can do it without too much pain, because he's playing like trash and he's expensive for what he produces and on a longterm deal.
4. All of this means that a straight-up two-team deal for Millsap is unlikely. A three- or four-team deal is much more possible - I see Portland and Orlando as being the prime candidates. You need either a team to take Toronto's assets and give Atlanta what they want or a team willing to take on Bazemore's salary for picks (and the hope that he improves to his form from last year) or both.
As an aside, I think DeMarre for Serge Ibaka is incidentally a much better trade opportunity. Ibaka isn't as good as Millsap, to be sure, but he's playing well after a bad start and is much more attainable because Orlando is trash and likely won't be able to re-sign him.
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magoon wrote: View PostKevin Durant on Oklahoma City in early 2016: "I love it here, man. I love my teammates, I love the city, I don't really think about anywhere else," Durant told Revolt TV in a recent interview. "I hear it all the time, don't get me wrong, and once you hear it you're kind of like [looks up, thinking]. But for me, I love staying in the moment, and I'm one of those guys that would love to stick it out with one team my whole career.
LaMarcus Aldridge in 2015: "I want to be the best Blazer -- ever," Aldridge said. "If I stay the rest of my career, I should be able to catch Clyde by then. I should be able to leave a mark on a big-time franchise that is going to be seen forever. And I will be able to say I played here my whole career. This city has embraced me and grown with me. I have so much history, it just makes sense to stay."
etc etc etc
he's doing the dance, as he knows he has to
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magoon wrote: View PostAny trade involving Millsap has to account for the following things:
1. They have Dwight as their starting center, he's playing well for them on a fair contract, and aren't going to move him for anything short of a superstar (and really, they'd sooner pair the superstar with Dwight anyway).
2. They have a glut of wings - Korver, Thabo, Bazemore, Tim Hardaway Jr., Prince and Bembry. They probably don't want another wing unless they can move a wing out. (Ross is better than any single one of those players, though.)
3. They really, really want Bazemore gone if they can do it without too much pain, because he's playing like trash and he's expensive for what he produces and on a longterm deal.
4. All of this means that a straight-up two-team deal for Millsap is unlikely. A three- or four-team deal is much more possible - I see Portland and Orlando as being the prime candidates. You need either a team to take Toronto's assets and give Atlanta what they want or a team willing to take on Bazemore's salary for picks (and the hope that he improves to his form from last year) or both.
As an aside, I think DeMarre for Serge Ibaka is incidentally a much better trade opportunity. Ibaka isn't as good as Millsap, to be sure, but he's playing well after a bad start and is much more attainable because Orlando is trash and likely won't be able to re-sign him.
5. You must be high if you think ORL would trade us Ibaka for Carroll.
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