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    Quote JamesNaismith wrote: View Post
    I know he definitely like to play here. Him and DeMar were hanging out at the Olympics more than DD n Kyle but not sure something like JV + Powell + 2017s get it done.
    JV + Carroll + Bebe + Wright + 2017 LAC pick + 2017 Raps pick + 2019 Raps first

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    Boogie + 2019 SAC second + any fillers not named "Gay"
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    JV + Carroll + Bebe + Wright + 2017 LAC pick + 2017 Raps pick + 2019 Raps first

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    Boogie + 2019 SAC second + any fillers not named "Gay"
    Why would Sacramento have any interest at all in Carroll? They aren't going to contend, they don't need a 30+ guy who costs $16 mil per year.
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    "He's over 30" is being used too much as a blank statement. Carroll has basically had two full seasons as a starter. He barely played for years. High usage guys would have his minutes total by age 25.

    I do wonder about timelines for returns from injury on this roster the last couple of years, there seem to be some missed judgement calls. But we always know so little on that front, it's all guesswork.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    "He's over 30" is being used too much as a blank statement. Carroll has basically had two full seasons as a starter. He barely played for years. High usage guys would have his minutes total by age 25.

    I do wonder about timelines for returns from injury on this roster the last couple of years, there seem to be some missed judgement calls. But we always know so little on that front, it's all guesswork.
    It's not just about usage though. As someone who is over 30 and almost anyone will tell you that being over that age makes a difference playing at the professional level in terms of not only what you have in the gas tank but probably far more related to DC is the ability to recover from injury. So yeah being over 30 will still mean a lot to a franchise especially on a player that has a history of injuries.

    ...and yeah SAC will have absolutely no interest in him.

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    It would really depend on what Sac is trying to do. JV is certainly a big trade chip, but they took WCS 6th overall, then followed up with Georgios (13th) and Skal last year. Adding JV seems just as redundant on their roster, so if they are simply going to stockpile assets and make more deals then the question comes down to JV vs whatever Boston can offer. Boston can go with an offer like Marcus Smart (addresses both lack of PG and poor SG to some degree), Amir (large salary that balance that comes off the books and is a solid vet PF), Jaylen Brown (3rd overall pick) and then picks (from Nets especially). Hard to see how JV helps the Kings as much as that offer which certainly seems realistic to what Ainge would pay (everyone knows he's desperate to add star level talent). Kings throw in McLemore to make the money work (rumour is they are done with him) and bam, blockbuster done.
    I am not sure they even know what they are trying to do ... This is probably the most poorly run sports franchise in the last 50 years in any professional league outside of the Donald Sterling Clippers regime in the 70s, 80's and 90's. Three decades of almost absolute incompetence is hard to match but the Kings are close.

    They had on payroll Cousins, Koufous and Cauley-Stien and somehow managed to trade for a C in this years draft. Its astounding.

    If Boogie can force a trade it might not come down to astute basketball operational decisions on value .. it might come down to who Vlade likes deal with and if they have a player or two that he is high on.

    Have a look at their depth chart.. Its just overwhelming poorly constructed. They need help at EVERY position. http://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_...cramento-kings

    They have no PG's that would be ranked in the top or middle tier of PG's league wide and none in development. They sport Collison and Ty Lawson and Garrett Temple. ..

    At the 2 they have soured on McLemore and have Affalo who wasn't viewed highly by the Knicks. The Knicks ! and Affalo is now atop the depth chart there along with Syracuse product Malachi Richardson who is unlikely to help this year or next.

    Rudy starts at SF but wants out and they are shopping him. Backing him up is Matt Barnes and a warm body named Lamar Patterson.

    PF is "OK". They have an out of position Cauley Stien, development project in Skal Labissiere but boast a competent veteran in Omri Casspi.

    I agree that adding JV to the Kings roster might not be what they do considering their gaping needs everywhere else. Koufous and Stien are serviceable NBA players right now.

    They desperately need a PG and we have one in Corey Joseph. They could really use a pro like Demarre Carroll at the 3 and dump Rudy for filler and 2nd round picks. Both Josephs and Carrolls deals are very very cap friendly and they are very competent NBA players. Not sure if Vlade has a shine to any of our younger players who have way more promise than his current group of younger players. (Powell, Siakam, Ross, Wright). Pick one .

    This year we have a couple of low end first rounders.. ours and the clips to add a low dose of sweetner. The Raps can offer right now players (to a team moving into a new arena) that very much helps the Kings depth and a young player and a couple of picks that provides futures.

    But its the Kings.. They may trade Boogie for the equivalent of a bag of magic beans.
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    Blashemy on the title.. he's not a Raptor, and may never be one.

    Personally I think a team like Cleveland would probably come calling, and win out - because the rich always get richer in the NBA.

    Not sure I see Boston as a good fit though. Don't see how Cousins/Horford would work out.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Blashemy on the title.. he's not a Raptor, and may never be one.

    Personally I think a team like Cleveland would probably come calling, and win out - because the rich always get richer in the NBA.

    Not sure I see Boston as a good fit though. Don't see how Cousins/Horford would work out.
    Cousins and Horford look like a fine fit to me. Horford plays his preferred PF and Boogie takes the C (which is where he always plays anyway). Then they have Crowder, Bradley and Thomas rounding out the 5. That's a pretty good group to me.
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    Cousins and Horford look like a fine fit to me. Horford plays his preferred PF and Boogie takes the C (which is where he always plays anyway). Then they have Crowder, Bradley and Thomas rounding out the 5. That's a pretty good group to me.
    They're both basically 4's playing the 5 spot. Just see a lot of duplication of talent there. It could work, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    They're both basically 4's playing the 5 spot. Just see a lot of duplication of talent there. It could work, but I wouldn't bet on it.
    Instead of debating that, the better question would be "what would Ainge do"? He seems very likely to make the deal to bring in the best player possible. Don't think adding Horford would exclude him from having interest in Boogie.
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    You have to remember that Kings just opened up a new stadium and will want to make the playoffs. Spending picks over wont cut it. I think sending a bonified starter in JV. Who still has upside will go a long way.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    You have to remember that Kings just opened up a new stadium and will want to make the playoffs. Spending picks over wont cut it. I think sending a bonified starter in JV. Who still has upside will go a long way.

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    But if you're the Kings, what helps you achieve that more:

    Demar & Gay & WCS at C?

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    JV & Gay (maybe) and WCS at PF?

    Once Boogie is gone, those are the best remaining players. JV only makes sense if they are going full on nuke the roster with multiple trades. Teams that go that route are rarely making playoff pushes.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    But if you're the Kings, what helps you achieve that more:

    Demar & Gay & WCS at C?

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    JV & Gay (maybe) and WCS at PF?

    Once Boogie is gone, those are the best remaining players. JV only makes sense if they are going full on nuke the roster with multiple trades. Teams that go that route are rarely making playoff pushes.
    Rudy Gay wants out too. He wont be there long. Also the point is to add an All-star to our current core of All-stars. Don't see Masai pulling the deal if one of Lowry/DD is envolved. JV package just makes too much sense. Yes, they have Centers but, none are as good as JV. JV would automaticly become the best player on the team.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Rudy Gay wants out too. He wont be there long. Also the point is to add an All-star to our current core of All-stars. Don't see Masai pulling the deal if one of Lowry/DD is envolved. JV package just makes too much sense. Yes, they have Centers but, none are as good as JV. JV would automaticly become the best player on the team.

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    Gay would certainly be more open to staying if paired with DD.

    Didn't you say earlier "by any means necessary"? That might mean DD because he makes significantly more sense to the Kings than JV and they have zero incentive to simply trade Boogie to us just because. DD would just as easily become the best player on their team plus he'd fit with their other better players and he makes more sense for your new arena theory. What sells more tickets in Sacremento, allstar and USA Olympian from SoCal or an unknown Lithuanian?
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    Kings are not going to trade DC.

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    Quote McRealistic wrote: View Post
    Kings are not going to trade DC.
    I don't think they will this year but next summer I think they have to. They aren't winning and he won't resign.

    Celtics still front runners in my books.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Gay would certainly be more open to staying if paired with DD.

    Didn't you say earlier "by any means necessary"? That might mean DD because he makes significantly more sense to the Kings than JV and they have zero incentive to simply trade Boogie to us just because. DD would just as easily become the best player on their team plus he'd fit with their other better players and he makes more sense for your new arena theory. What sells more tickets in Sacremento, allstar and USA Olympian from SoCal or an unknown Lithuanian?
    LOL there's absolutely no chance that Masai trades DD.

    Not saying DMC isn't worth DD but there's no way with all the hype that the franchise has put into DeMar n the record setting amount of money MLSE just made on the Raptors that they give up a player with 3 more years on his contract n is the main reason Lowry would stick around. Not to mention Cousins actually hasn't led a successful team yet n doing so with JV still on the roster also makes little sense. Just a pointless trade proposal...if any trade were to happen JV plus both our picks are guaranteed to go then it's figuring if it's Powell etc adding in.

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    Quote JamesNaismith wrote: View Post
    LOL there's absolutely no chance that Masai trades DD.

    Not saying DMC isn't worth DD but there's no way with all the hype that the franchise has put into DeMar n the record setting amount of money MLSE just made on the Raptors that they give up a player with 3 more years on his contract n is the main reason Lowry would stick around. Not to mention Cousins actually hasn't led a successful team yet n doing so with JV still on the roster also makes little sense. Just a pointless trade proposal...if any trade were to happen JV plus both our picks are guaranteed to go then it's figuring if it's Powell etc adding in.
    Then posters who claimed "by any means necessary" didn't mean it at all.

    I'm not suggesting Masai should or would, simply the logic at what the Kings would demand if the call was made. I put 0% chance he lands in Toronto anytime soon but since someone created a thread for it....
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I don't think they will this year but next summer I think they have to. They aren't winning and he won't resign.

    Celtics still front runners in my books.
    Agreed on Celts being the most likely n it would probably happen before the draft so the Kings can decide who they want but getting a top 5 in one of the best drafts plus probably Smart n couple other pieces.

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    Quote JamesNaismith wrote: View Post
    Agreed on Celts being the most likely n it would probably happen before the draft so the Kings can decide who they want but getting a top 5 in one of the best drafts plus probably Smart n couple other pieces.
    Smart and Brown could give them two very good defenders to combine with WCS. That's the makings of a real team as opposed to whatever their "no PG and 5 Cs" plan currently.
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    Masai wont trade Deebo especially if he wants to resign K Low next summer. Never mind the record amount of money he just gave him. "By any means" I meant everyobody but, our two all-stars. Still think Vlade would want at least one proven starter that has all-star potential. That's where Raptors would have the upper hand over Celtics.

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