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KeonClark wrote: View PostTo be fair, he's just not likable in my opinion. Just watched the intros to 2016 all star again and he does his little dance in, then Drake mimes putting a crown on his head and LBJ does the "im a king" bow/stance. Puke.
I'm really not a fan of LBJ in the usual fan sense, I much more have a massive amount of respect for his game. The flopping, whining, GM'ing...meh. On that level give me a bulldog like Lowry any day of the week. But sometimes people use the flopping/whining to knock Lebron in general, I think you've got to separate that from what he actually does as far as making basketball plays.
Pet peeve of the day: fake no-look passes! Lebron's terrible for these, he's actually dribbling in the direction of a teammate, looking right at him, makes a great crosscourt bounce pass, but as he passes the ball he looks off to the side. That's not a no-look pass! That's a fake no-look pass! Magic and Bird had legit no-look passes, here's a great one:
https://youtu.be/6IPMMO7xiLQ?t=39s
Hot damn, Magic:
https://youtu.be/GoEl2Oo66IY?t=1m18sLast edited by S.R.; Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:56 AM."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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The NBA specifically doesn't assign a definition to MVP, which lets people with votes create their own rationale and criteria. Historically the MVP has gone to the player who scores the most points on one of the regular season conference leaders, usually the team with the best record. Personally, if I had the vote, I would use this rationale:
Once the season is over, I get to immediately replay the season, and the players are going to play the same number of games for the same minutes, with the same effort, and pretty much the same results. The goal is to win the most regular season games, so who would I pick first in those conditions. The answer would be my vote for MVP. Based on this rationale, even though Lebron is undisputedly the best player in the world for multiple seasons he may not always be the pick for MVP.
The NBA rightly knows, it's better if we can argue about it.
But yeah, If you polled GM's and said, you have to get to the finals this year, I'm sure the vast majority of them would have Lebron as their first pick. If the question is you have to make the conference finals as many out of the next five years as you can, then you probably get a lot more variation in responses, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lebron still top of a lot of lists."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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ezz_bee wrote: View PostThe NBA specifically doesn't assign a definition to MVP, which lets people with votes create their own rationale and criteria. Historically the MVP has gone to the player who scores the most points on one of the regular season conference leaders, usually the team with the best record. Personally, if I had the vote, I would use this rationale:
Once the season is over, I get to immediately replay the season, and the players are going to play the same number of games for the same minutes, with the same effort, and pretty much the same results. The goal is to win the most regular season games, so who would I pick first in those conditions. The answer would be my vote for MVP. Based on this rationale, even though Lebron is undisputedly the best player in the world for multiple seasons he may not always be the pick for MVP.
The NBA rightly knows, it's better if we can argue about it.
But yeah, If you polled GM's and said, you have to get to the finals this year, I'm sure the vast majority of them would have Lebron as their first pick. If the question is you have to make the conference finals as many out of the next five years as you can, then you probably get a lot more variation in responses, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lebron still top of a lot of lists.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Bill Simmons just Ether'd Russell Westbrooks MVP bid
https://theringer.com/the-russell-we...117#.ao0qrtd2n
Small excerpt:
Here’s the problem: If you want to make the Finals, or come close, there’s little chance this level of ball hoggery can actually work. I love that Harden’s season is happening concurrently because that’s about as far as you want to take a one-man show. He’s a more efficient shooter than Westbrook (a .620 true shooting percentage, as opposed to Westbrook’s .548) and our only answer to the question, “What if we created Manu Ginobili 2.0 and gave him Chris Mullin’s vision and LeBron’s staggering durability?” And he’s a more creative passer than Westbrook; I would put Harden on LeBron’s level at this point. You’d never watch a clip of Westbrook assists, but you’d definitely watch this.
Harden brings out the best of everyone, much like Nash did in Phoenix with better teammates and the same coach. His supporting cast is better than Westbrook’s group, but not by much: Patrick Beverley (splendid role player, world-class agitator); Clint Capela (rim protection, screen-and-rolls); Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson (reborn as dead-eye shooters); Lou Williams (another elite 3s-and-free-throws guy); and so on. Even if Harden hogs the ball about 70–75 percent as much as Westbrook does, the calibration feels better. It looks like a basketball team.
Oklahoma City isn’t doomed because of Westbrook’s supporting cast; it’s doomed because of how it regards his supporting cast. Like his henchmen, basically. You don’t remember them any more than you’d remember, say, the names of the bad guys in three Taken movies. Few of them are getting better; if anything, Steven Adams, Enes Kanter and Andre Roberson are exactly the same or getting worse. I left last year’s playoffs expecting Adams to become basketball’s best young center. This season, he’s been a glorified sidekick.
The biggest problem with ball hog basketball: Eventually, everyone else atrophies. The supporting guys stop thinking independently; when they’re asked to step up, it’s difficult to flick on that “OK, I’m good!” switch. I’m fascinated by OKC’s offense when Westbrook rests — how Domantas Sabonis says to himself, “It’s my only chance to post up and try a jump hook!”, or Kanter gets to become an instant low-post beast, or Oladipo (who’s adjusted to Westbrook about as well as you can expect) creates a little slash-and-kick on his own. Of course they’re worse without Westbrook on the floor; playing with Westbrook is like being one of the kids in that SNL sketch where the parents chew the food for their kids. Hey Steven Adams — here comes some corn!9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Lebron is always the MVP, the race is really for second place. Lebron is the best player and it's really not close. The fact that he doesn't have to try and can average those numbers is case and point.
Every time I watch Lebron he just seems to be out there and then I look at the scoreboard and he has a triple double. He does everything in the flow of the game and just kind of blends in, but dominates.Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
Because its 2015
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostLebron is always the MVP, the race is really for second place. Lebron is the best player and it's really not close. The fact that he doesn't have to try and can average those numbers is case and point.
Every time I watch Lebron he just seems to be out there and then I look at the scoreboard and he has a triple double. He does everything in the flow of the game and just kind of blends in, but dominates.
Should be lebron, will probably be harden (not that he's undeserving)9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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