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    I don't see a whit of evidence that Ibaka is our best defensive big. He was nowhere as effective a defensive player as Bebe last season - really no better than JV or Poetl. Ibaka's athleticism is average at best since his knee surgery in 2015. He can still pull off the occasional showy block when the mood strikes him, but he jog-walked back in transition way too often. And that was in a contract year.

    On offence Serge is a decent spot up three point shooter, but that's it. If he does anything but catch and shoot his atrocious assist to turnover ratio is going to kill your team offensive efficiency In fact, I'm not sure how the Raptors are going to replace Patterson's quick swing passes. Our guards rarely initiate lateral ball movement and Ibaka and Miles are both non-passers.

    I cannot see any rational reason why a team that let Amir and JJ and Pat walk for nothing handed Ibaka that bloated contract, but I suppose anything that keeps Siakam from starting has to be a plus.

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    Though I hope he turns it around, there is no way Ibaka has been a top-100 player since 2014. That SI puts him at 58 is an indication of the low quality of their analysis.

    I'm rooting for Serge, it would be great if he could turn it around. But it's more likely that he is Ujiri's Jermain O'Neal.

    I wish we kept Patterson and Tucker instead.

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    My only thing with Ibaka is that if your going to pay him that much money you have to use him where he is more effective. I believe he is more effective as a stretch 5 than 4. Keeps him more around the rim. Which we than benefit from his rim protection. Also on offence it drag out the other teams best rim protector. I think Ibaka can be better but, as a center. When he moved to center in that Mil series our D and O went to another level.

    In the clip below shows all of Ibaka's blocks in the playoffs. There are 17 possessions. 13 of them came with Ibaka playing center. I believe that Ibaka blocks have gone down because the 4 spot is a perimeter position now. Most 4s are out on the perimeter. If you want to maximize him you have to play him at C. With this 3 year window we should be trying to maximize our 3 best players.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    My only thing with Ibaka is that if your going to pay him that much money you have to use him where he is more effective. I believe he is more effective as a stretch 5 than 4. Keeps him more around the rim. Which we than benefit from his rim protection. Also on offence it drag out the other teams best rim protector. I think Ibaka can be better but, as a center. When he moved to center in that Mil series our D and O went to another level.

    In the clip below shows all of Ibaka's blocks in the playoffs. There are 17 possessions. 13 of them came with Ibaka playing center. I believe that Ibaka blocks have gone down because the 4 spot is a perimeter position now. Most 4s are out on the perimeter. If you want to maximize him you have to play him at C. With this 3 year window we should be trying to maximize our 3 best players.
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    A stretch C only drags out the other team's best rim protector if you have a stretch 4 to go along with them. If the Raptors started Ibaka at the 5, it would be beside Siakam, in which case there would be no more spacing than there is with Ibaka and JV.

    That said, I don't really care about maximizing Ibaka's blocks. If the team can find success with him at the 4 (and there are all sorts of reasons to believe they will), what's wrong with his block numbers dipping?

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    A stretch C only drags out the other team's best rim protector if you have a stretch 4 to go along with them. If the Raptors started Ibaka at the 5, it would be beside Siakam, in which case there would be no more spacing than there is with Ibaka and JV.

    That said, I don't really care about maximizing Ibaka's blocks. If the team can find success with him at the 4 (and there are all sorts of reasons to believe they will), what's wrong with his block numbers dipping?
    It's not just about his numbers dropping. It's about keepin him around the rim more. He is more valuable around the rim than on perimeter. Which adds to intimidation around the rim. It also helps when it come to PnR D. Having two bigs in you lineup who can guard the PnR effectively is big in a spread pnr league. JV at center doesn't bring rim protection or good pnr coverage.

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    JV's a decently good rim protector if you look past his raw blocking numbers.

    And as I said in another thread, a lot of Ibaka's success at C had to do with Tucker being on the floor at PF. The highly anticipated Ibaka/Patterson combo really wasn't all that great as it should have been but placing Tucker at the 4 spot really elevated the team.

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    Quote tDotted wrote: View Post
    JV's a decently good rim protector if you look past his raw blocking numbers.

    And as I said in another thread, a lot of Ibaka's success at C had to do with Tucker being on the floor at PF. The highly anticipated Ibaka/Patterson combo really wasn't all that great as it should have been but placing Tucker at the 4 spot really elevated the team.
    A lot of it also had to do with that lineup being used against small opposition. When the opposition was bigger, they ran out that Ibaka-Pat lineup, and they struggled, but when Ibaka at C was used specifically to match up to small competition (ie when Tucker played the 4), it went great. It's why I think Ibaka should be used sparingly at C, specifically to match up small, usually near the end of the game against most opponents.

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    Quote tDotted wrote: View Post
    JV's a decently good rim protector if you look past his raw blocking numbers.

    And as I said in another thread, a lot of Ibaka's success at C had to do with Tucker being on the floor at PF. The highly anticipated Ibaka/Patterson combo really wasn't all that great as it should have been but placing Tucker at the 4 spot really elevated the team.
    Yeah he's an ok rim protector, the problem is there's other things that are arguably more important than that like being able to hedge and switch effectively in a pick and roll or defend shooting bigs on the perimeter effectively, neither of which JV has the mobility or IQ to do effectively.

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    wrong thread.

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    Quote Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Yeah he's an ok rim protector, the problem is there's other things that are arguably more important than that like being able to hedge and switch effectively in a pick and roll or defend shooting bigs on the perimeter effectively, neither of which JV has the mobility or IQ to do effectively.
    No arguments there. Just refuting the point that Serge is much better at C overall than JV is.

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    Today is ibakas birthday. I hope I can look as good as he does at 44!
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Today is ibakas birthday. I hope I can look as good as he does at 44!
    lol

    Seriously tho his play better hold steady. If he is in decline the way some fear, this three year window is screwed.

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    I think his game gets better this year.

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    Ibaka says he is down 10 pounds! Think he realizes the game is speeding up
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Ibaka says he is down 10 pounds! Think he realizes the game is speeding up
    And that he'll be playing mostly PF...

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    I guess he's chucking his way into game shape?

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    Quote TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
    I think his game gets better this year.
    There's still time to take this back...

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    Anyone worried about ibaka after 2 preseason games needs their head examined. He's like 8 or 9 years in now. Ibaka will show up to work, give you 14 and 8 on 40% from 3 with a few blocks, couple scuffles with the opposing bigs, and go home at the end of the night. There's about 10 guys I'm more worried about than ibaka
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Anyone worried about ibaka after 2 preseason games needs their head examined. He's like 8 or 9 years in now. Ibaka will show up to work, give you 14 and 8 on 40% from 3 with a few blocks, couple scuffles with the opposing bigs, and go home at the end of the night. There's about 10 guys I'm more worried about than ibaka
    Wouldn't say I'm worried, just slightly disappointed with what he's doing out there because it just make me no sense to me. I don't however expect it to bleed into the regular season.

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    I would rather have a guy willing to shoot than a guy that will pass up good looks. Prime example 2pat. Ibaka will be fine.
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