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DanH wrote: View PostAs I noted in early July, Norm is eligible for an extension this year because the new CBA shortened the term length before an extension from 3 years to 2. Also, as a second round pick, he didn't sign a rookie scale contract, so veteran extension rules apply to him. Hence the 4/42 I suggested for him back in July - it is his maximum offer, based on the projected average salary this year.
Why would management make the offer? Norm is still relatively unproven and would seem likely to have a rather low ceiling, given his size, skill set, draft position and, especially, his age entering the league. It would seem the most advantageous course for management would be to put the decision off as long as possible.
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BrieflySpeaking wrote: View PostCan such an extension be signed at any time before or during the season?
Why would management make the offer? Norm is still relatively unproven and would seem likely to have a rather low ceiling, given his size, skill set, draft position and, especially, his age entering the league. It would seem the most advantageous course for management would be to put the decision off as long as possible.
If you wait till RFA and he earns well above that, not only do you have to pay more to retain him, the extra hit due to the luxury tax is even more onerous. (Unless of course you intend to move JV, but that has proved difficult anyway.)
It's a situation similar to that of Jae Crowder, who after his first three years and at age 25 signed a 5-yr $35mm deal, which ended up being one of the best contracts in the league.
But it depends entirely on Masai's assessment of whether Norm can give us high-end role player production. Seems like a reasonable bet but then I think Norm is best at SG, and I don't know how well he's going to fit next to Demar over the long-term.
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BrieflySpeaking wrote: View PostCan such an extension be signed at any time before or during the season?
Why would management make the offer? Norm is still relatively unproven and would seem likely to have a rather low ceiling, given his size, skill set, draft position and, especially, his age entering the league. It would seem the most advantageous course for management would be to put the decision off as long as possible.
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BrieflySpeaking wrote: View PostCan such an extension be signed at any time before or during the season?
Why would management make the offer? Norm is still relatively unproven and would seem likely to have a rather low ceiling, given his size, skill set, draft position and, especially, his age entering the league. It would seem the most advantageous course for management would be to put the decision off as long as possible.
If they can lock Norm into that deal, they should do it now and thank their lucky stars. All it takes is one stupid team to throw a THJ offer his way, and there's a plethora of stupid teams out there.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostInteresting to see if Norm is going to be a starter this season or not. Could play a huge role in the type of offers he receives.
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golden wrote: View PostIt should. If he starts at SF beside DD, then it's going to be tricky for teams to judge his effectiveness defensively and also on offense as a likely 4th option. Powell's natural position should be SG, but DeMar's locked in there. Norm could potentially put up big numbers as DD's backup against other opposing bench guys and be 2nd option on offense. Looking around the league, there looks to be a lot of teams that could use an upgrade at SG, or have some aging guys there. Starting Norm might be a good strategic move for the Raps to keep his numbers down in this contract year.
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golden wrote: View PostIt should. If he starts at SF beside DD, then it's going to be tricky for teams to judge his effectiveness defensively and also on offense as a likely 4th option. Powell's natural position should be SG, but DeMar's locked in there. Norm could potentially put up big numbers as DD's backup against other opposing bench guys and be 2nd option on offense. Looking around the league, there looks to be a lot of teams that could use an upgrade at SG, or have some aging guys there. Starting Norm might be a good strategic move for the Raps to keep his numbers down in this contract year.
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I think I would actually prefer not giving him an extension and see what the market does.. it's a gamble but I think it can pay off. How many teams will actually have cap space to make a good RFA offer to Norm? I know you only need one team, but I can't really even see which team that would be.
Masai isn't much of a gambler though. My guess is that Norm and his agent will agree to an extension.. similar to how Masai was able to get Ross and JV to sign extensions.
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planetmars wrote: View PostI think I would actually prefer not giving him an extension and see what the market does.. it's a gamble but I think it can pay off. How many teams will actually have cap space to make a good RFA offer to Norm? I know you only need one team, but I can't really even see which team that would be.
Masai isn't much of a gambler though. My guess is that Norm and his agent will agree to an extension.. similar to how Masai was able to get Ross and JV to sign extensions.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostI was thinking that they are less likely to start him on a contract year to keep him from having a break out season and thus offers from other teams low, but I can see what you are saying as well about starting him to keep usage low. Ultimately I feel he's a starting quality SG which we can't use as a starter on a permanent basis. His best value to us may come in the form of a trade.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostYou should go check Powell's #s when he starts next to Deebo. Compare them to when he comes off the bench.
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planetmars wrote: View PostI think I would actually prefer not giving him an extension and see what the market does.. it's a gamble but I think it can pay off. How many teams will actually have cap space to make a good RFA offer to Norm? I know you only need one team, but I can't really even see which team that would be.
Masai isn't much of a gambler though. My guess is that Norm and his agent will agree to an extension.. similar to how Masai was able to get Ross and JV to sign extensions.
There's also unforeseen trades and the draft that you need to consider. Let me add here, fuck ESPN for putting DraftExpress stuff behind a paywall.
I'll let Masai and co. go through all that work - though it is tempting.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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golden wrote: View PostTrue. Norm performed a lot better when he had some consistency in his role. When Ross and Carroll were still here it wasn't even clear if he had a bench role. He'd go for long stretches without even playing. I'm expecting big things from Norm this year. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Norm less efficient starting next to DeMar when Lowry was out, but had higher raw stats?
In those two games, he shot 50% from the field, averaged 15+ PPG, and played about 33 MPG. But one was a blowout win and one was a blowout loss, so it's hard to get much from that tiny sample.
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