Everything 2017 Off-Season

[NoPropsneeded]

assuming that DeMarre and Jonas can be traded away for nothing coming back (which is doubtful, but if anybody can do it, Masai can):

resign Kyle at 30
resign Ibaka at 20
resign Tucker at 11
draft John Collins (or Ike Anigbogu or Justin Patton)
sign one of the following with mid-level exemption at 6: Jonas Jerebko, Amir Johnson, Thomas Robinson, Brandon Bass
sign Vince Carter at 3 with bi-annual exemption

Kyle (30) / Cory (7.6) / VanVleet (1.3)
Demar (27.7) / Norman (1.4) / Delon (1.6)
Tucker (11) / Carter (3) / Bruno (2.4)
Jerebko (6) / Siakam (1.3) / Collins (1.4)
Ibaka (20) / Bebe (2.9) / Poeltl (2.8)

That four spot is absolutely atrocious and who in their right mind would trade JV away and expect nothing in return? He's a solid big man who could net a valuable piece or two

[KeonClark]

That four spot is absolutely atrocious and who in their right mind would trade JV away and expect nothing in return? He's a solid big man who could net a valuable piece or two

Yeah that makes zero sense to me..trade Jonas for nothing lol

[DogeLover1234]

Yeah that makes zero sense to me..trade Jonas for nothing lol

I mean I have seen several people say they want to dump his salary for nothing. Maybe they assume you get back a future pick or something, but people literally just want to get rid of him for cap space.

EDIT: I bet JV's contract looks better than Ibakas at the end of next year. Maybe people forget how much mediocre centers went for last summer idk.

[DanH]

I mean I have seen several people say they want to dump his salary for nothing. Maybe they assume you get back a future pick or something, but people literally just want to get rid of him for cap space.

To be fair, cap space is what the team needs if they are going to be able to re-sign their free agents without getting ravaged by the tax.

Still, I'd rather move Carroll with the 23rd pick than JV alone, if the return is going to be essentially nothing.

[DogeLover1234]

To be fair, cap space is what the team needs if they are going to be able to re-sign their free agents without getting ravaged by the tax.

Still, I'd rather move Carroll with the 23rd pick than JV alone, if the return is going to be essentially nothing.

Yes that is true, and cap space is an asset, but trading JV for nothing to sign Ibaka as the starting center for 4 years 80+ million is a risky move to say the least.

[KeonClark]

To be fair, cap space is what the team needs if they are going to be able to re-sign their free agents without getting ravaged by the tax.

Still, I'd rather move Carroll with the 23rd pick than JV alone, if the return is going to be essentially nothing.

What are the rules on waiving or buying out Carroll like what Dallas did with Bogut and Williams?

[tenforthewin]

Will resign Lowry be good enough for the 76ers to take Lowry's salary for Covington, Henderson, and their first round pick this year and two second round drafts. Masaii should try fleecing Colangelo, at least for Lowry's sake, can't let him walk for nothing.

Then we draft DeAaron Fox, Dennis Smith, or Frank Ntilikina and mold them to be our future starting PG and draft OG Anuoby and Caleb Swanigan with the second round pick.

Then we can package DeMarre Carroll + JV + 2017 1st round pick for Hayward and Favors

Resign Ibaka and Tucker, let PP walk, waive Nogueira

2017-18 lineups
Joseph/Top PG/Delon
DeRozan/Powell/Henderson
Hayward/Covington/Anuoby
Ibaka/Tucker/Siakam
Favors/Poeltl/Swanigan

[ball4life]

Tenforthewin is having a field day with how the season went down.


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[KeonClark]

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Utah is trading us their franchise player (plus favors) for jv and carroll man!

[MixxAOR]

Trade Carroll and JV for Lebron and Channing Frye put Delon Wright as a sweetener if you have to.

who says no?

[rocwell]

Trade Carroll and JV for Lebron and Channing Frye put Delon Wright as a sweetener if you have to.

who says no?

[DanH]

What are the rules on waiving or buying out Carroll like what Dallas did with Bogut and Williams?

If we buy out Carroll (buying out and waiving is basically the same thing), we have two options. The first is to leave his cap hit sitting on the cap exactly as is. Obviously not the idea. The second is to stretch his cap hit. The stretch provision allows teams to spread a player's cap hit over twice the length of his contract, plus one year. So, since Carroll has two years left, his $30.2M would be spread out over 5 years, meaning a $6.04M per year cap hit. It would save us $8.76M in cap room this summer, but leave him on the books until June 2022.

If you consider the alternative to be trading a 1st with him, but don't like trading 1st rounders because they are cheap labor, then keeping the 1st and using the stretch provision instead would mean that essentially that 1st rounder is not getting paid 2-3 M per year, but close to 10M per year instead (attributing that stretched cap hit to the 1st rounder). Kind of a lose-lose. Except in the short term, finding a way to trade Carroll clears 15M, not 8M and change, from the cap the next two seasons.

[KeonClark]

If we buy out Carroll (buying out and waiving is basically the same thing), we have two options. The first is to leave his cap hit sitting on the cap exactly as is. Obviously not the idea. The second is to stretch his cap hit. The stretch provision allows teams to spread a player's cap hit over twice the length of his contract, plus one year. So, since Carroll has two years left, his $30.2M would be spread out over 5 years, meaning a $6.04M per year cap hit. It would save us $8.76M in cap room this summer, but leave him on the books until June 2022.

If you consider the alternative to be trading a 1st with him, but don't like trading 1st rounders because they are cheap labor, then keeping the 1st and using the stretch provision instead would mean that essentially that 1st rounder is not getting paid 2-3 M per year, but close to 10M per year instead (attributing that stretched cap hit to the 1st rounder). Kind of a lose-lose. Except in the short term, finding a way to trade Carroll clears 15M, not 8M and change, from the cap the next two seasons.

Thanks dan. Looks like I'm back to hoping brooklyn will take him for a pack of gatorade

[KHD]

Yes that is true, and cap space is an asset, but trading JV for nothing to sign Ibaka as the starting center for 4 years 80+ million is a risky move to say the least.

it's an outright stupid move.

ibaka is not a full time 5. you will wear him down and he'll develop playoff lowry syndrome. book it.

If you trade JV you still need a starting C, plain and simple.

[KeonClark]

it's an outright stupid move.

ibaka is not a full time 5. you will wear him down and he'll develop playoff lowry syndrome. book it.

If you trade JV you still need a starting C, plain and simple.

Jakob Poeltl. He can be our Zaza Pachulia quite easily I'm sure