Everything (2016-2017) Regular Season Game Threads

[planetmars]

So a debate between you and all of the coaches in the NBA judging him at that time (except the Lakers coach) 9 times? Interesting. I'm gonna go with the 29 coaches, 9 times.

What is not open for debate is how ludicrous it is to even compare Kobe's D to Demar's D. It is not enough to say 'Kobe was better but...' I'm paraphrasing I think. One is a bad defender at his position and can't play good man to man d. The other was considered to be the best defender at his position in the league 9 times, by opposing coaches. And the 2nd best at his position some other years.

If Demar could be considered the 15th best at his position I would be extremely happy. SI consider he is in the bottom 20%. So what's that, 6th worst?

All defensive team is voted by the media not by coaches.

[planetmars]

Both teams playing on a 2nd game of a b2b. Suspect some ugly ball tonight.

[iblastoff]

The Warriors didn't miss a whole lot last night. JV grabbed a third of all available defensive rebounds, well above his average rate. He only grabbed 10% of available offensive boards, you'd like more like 15%, but not exactly a terrible rebounding performance.

JV grabs about 28.4% of available defensive rebounds. in this game he grabbed about 33% of them but that still only totals to 3 defensive rebounds last night. how does that even make sense? so that means there was only a total of 9 defensive rebounds to get? i don't fully understand this stat when looking at the numbers.

this year JV is averaging 20'ish % in grabbing available offensive boards. so only grabbing half of that is pretty bad.

[Axel]

Both teams playing on a 2nd game of a b2b. Suspect some ugly ball tonight.

The Suns could be coming off a week's worth of rest and they'd still be ugly ball.

[big boi]

All defensive team is voted by the media not by coaches.

it is now. Starting in the 2013-14 season I believe

[iblastoff]

can we just fast forward this game.

[Lupe]

I'd like to see what JV's man to man defence could look like if he didn't have to help compensate for a defensive sieve in Demar. When healthy JV has played fine man to man defence. Demar can't so constantly needs help d. JV can also be a beast on the boards in addition to some efficient offence. Kanter might be a decent comparison but he plays behind Adams who is better than both.

Man to man defence isn't very important at center. Teams aren't running tons of post-ups or isos for their bigs. It's help D, pick and roll D and rim protection that are the most important and JV isn't particularly good at any of those.

[iblastoff]

Man to man defence isn't very important at center. Teams aren't running tons of post-ups or isos for their bigs. It's help D, pick and roll D and rim protection that are the most important and JV isn't particularly good at any of those.

i think i remember reading somewhere that JV is one of the worst at pick and roll defense.

[Lupe]

So a debate between you and all of the coaches in the NBA judging him at that time (except the Lakers coach) 9 times? Interesting. I'm gonna go with the 29 coaches, 9 times.

What is not open for debate is how ludicrous it is to even compare Kobe's D to Demar's D. It is not enough to say 'Kobe was better but...' I'm paraphrasing I think. One is a bad defender at his position and can't play good man to man d. The other was considered to be the best defender at his position in the league 9 times, by opposing coaches. And the 2nd best at his position some other years.

If Demar could be considered the 15th best at his position I would be extremely happy. SI consider he is in the bottom 20%. So what's that, 6th worst?

Wait a sec I didn't compare Kobe's D to DeMar's (well actually I did but not in the sense you mean like saying they're similar in quality). I literally said, "He [Kobe] was a good defender though, better than DeMar for sure that's not debatable." I only compared them offensively.

What I said was that I'm not sure Kobe's defensive play merited 9 all-NBA first team defensive selections. And there is a debate to b had there because the numbers sure as heck don't support him getting selected that many times, neither really does his play on the court. Yes he could play lockdown defense in spurts but he wasn't a high impact defender at all. The actually top tier wing defenders
like Tony Allen, Kawhi, Ron Artest all grade out much better than Kobe in DBPM. And Kobe was never particularly ranked highly in defensive RAPM among his peers either.

[Lupe]

JV grabs about 28.4% of available defensive rebounds. in this game he grabbed about 33% of them but that still only totals to 3 defensive rebounds last night. how does that even make sense? so that means there was only a total of 9 defensive rebounds to get? i don't fully understand this stat when looking at the numbers.

this year JV is averaging 20'ish % in grabbing available offensive boards. so only grabbing half of that is pretty bad.

This actually sounds about right. 9 available to get when JV was on the floor. Given GS was shooting something absurd like 70% that doesn't really seem unreasonable.

[lewro]

Whats this injury that JV has? A couple of you have mention it. What is he playing through?

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It was sarcasm.

[big boi]

Wait a sec I didn't compare Kobe's D to DeMar's (well actually I did but not in the sense you mean like saying they're similar in quality). I literally said, "He [Kobe] was a good defender though, better than DeMar for sure that's not debatable." I only compared them offensively.

What I said was that I'm not sure Kobe's defensive play merited 9 all-NBA first team defensive selections. And there is a debate to b had there because the numbers sure as heck don't support him getting selected that many times, neither really does his play on the court. Yes he could play lockdown defense in spurts but he wasn't a high impact defender at all. The actually top tier wing defenders
like Tony Allen, Kawhi, Ron Artest all grade out much better than Kobe in DBPM. And Kobe was never particularly ranked highly in defensive RAPM among his peers either.

You cannot compare Kobe and Demar defensively. There is no point of comparison. You were comparing the two and talked defence. You conceded that Kobe was better. Okay. Well I would prefer for someone to place a gold nugget in my hand rather than a nugget of poo. That would be better. And offensively you're comparing a legend who did it for years. How does Demar's offensive stats from last year stack up? His most recent full year?

[rocwell]

can we just fast forward this game.

[rocwell]

Not sure how I feel about this.. let's hope he finally gets healthy and starts playing like JYD 2.0..

DeMarre Carroll will start back-to-back games for the first time this season tonight in Phoenix.

— Mike Ganter (@Mike_Ganter) December 30, 2016

[3inthekeon]

JV, Monroe, Kanter and Vucevic are all kind of in the same group of center. Similar aged centers, skilled offensively but defensive liabilities in the modern game. JV is the best in that group (maybe a hair better than Kanter) but it's telling that the other three are all sort of being used as 6th men spark-plug type scorers.

Thing is, these types still have value in the modern NBA, just not the core foundation pieces they were thought of even a few years ago,