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Nilanka wrote: View PostI agree with this.
No amount of "re-tooling" is going to fix this. Our capped our core is fundamentally flawed.
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Has the following been discussed before?
Casey during a practice time presser just before game 2. Quite an admittance imo which in another language could mean...."we do not have the horses to compete with how the best in the league play the game these days".
The implications are profound. May require a thread of it's own.
“The league is changing,” said Casey at the Raptors practice Tuesday. “The league is changing. You have to change or you get stuck in the mud. It’s more of a scoring league now. You saw what San Antonio had done to them last night [in a 27-point loss to the Houston Rockets the Spurs gave up 22 threes on 50 attempts].
“We have to score points,” said Casey, whose club is averaging just 95.4 points a game in the post-season, worst among active teams and 11.4 points off their regular season average. “We have to manufacture points and not get our dobber down if the other team scores. If they score, boom, hey, next play. Not to say defence isn’t important, because it is. But we can’t get caught up in ‘we gotta stop them.’”
It’s a watershed moment, arguably, with Casey acknowledging that simply planning to win with your defence first can only take you so far. In that context, to put it bluntly, it’s not clear exactly where Valanciunas’s future lies as a starter on an NBA team with championship aspirations, given his limitations offensively and defensively in a wide-open, three-point heavy game.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...cing-scrutiny/
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Jclaw wrote: View PostBecause they may not. Again, regular season caveats aside, this was a 5th (tied) place team in a thirty team league that went through a rough stretch of injuries and played well for half a season with a not yet ready rookie at PF (as opposed to Ibaka). Maybe next year we're the 1st or 2nd seed and we don't face the cavs til the ECF. Or maybe the cavs stumble and get knocked out earlier. Or maybe the clock finally turns on Lebron and the team is nothing. You have to have a seat at the table in order to get a spin at the wheel. What's the alternative? Don't sign Lowry and Ibaka? Start Cory, Demar, Norm, Pascal and JV (or Poeltl)? Tread around the dreaded 7-11 range and return to a basketball wasteland? We lucked into this thing...I wouldn't throw it away just because we may lose to a team that, oh by the way, beat the warriors and won the championship last year. It's always fair to complain and say what you want to get rid of but try and include what you'd have left.
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As optimistic as you may be, would you bring back Lowry at a 5 year max contract? Would you sign Ibaka to a 5 year / $100M+ contract? Look at the Clippers, they retained their core and end up doing the same every year. Like I wrote in my other post, it's a matter of what your aspirations are. Be a top 10 team with no real shot at a championship or blow it up with the hopes of landing a generational talent. Nothing wrong with either, but as a Toronto fan; not even just basketball; I want to see a TRUE championship contender.
Look at what the Maple Leafs did, granted its early to tell but looks like we landed studs in Matthews/Marner/Nylander with a top tier coach and we are already way ahead of schedule on the rebuild. That is the only way to build a champion, with teams like 04 Pistons being anomaly's.
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Bendit wrote: View PostHas the following been discussed before?
Casey during a practice time presser just before game 2. Quite an admittance imo which in another language could mean...."we do not have the horses to compete with how the best in the league play the game these days".
The implications are profound. May require a thread of it's own.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...cing-scrutiny/
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Deems wrote: View PostThe 3 point barrage, soft, no defense style of play is turning me off the NBA more and more. Welcome to the AAU generation.
Also, at what point to defences stop helping on drives? Isn't letting Harden go for a one-on-one layup better for the defence than collapsing so he can hit open shooters? That's definitely what the offence wants, why give it to them? When will staying home on shooters be more important than helping on drives?"We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Deems wrote: View PostAs optimistic as you may be, would you bring back Lowry at a 5 year max contract? Would you sign Ibaka to a 5 year / $100M+ contract? Look at the Clippers, they retained their core and end up doing the same every year. Like I wrote in my other post, it's a matter of what your aspirations are. Be a top 10 team with no real shot at a championship or blow it up with the hopes of landing a generational talent. Nothing wrong with either, but as a Toronto fan; not even just basketball; I want to see a TRUE championship contender.
Look at what the Maple Leafs did, granted its early to tell but looks like we landed studs in Matthews/Marner/Nylander with a top tier coach and we are already way ahead of schedule on the rebuild. That is the only way to build a champion, with teams like 04 Pistons being anomaly's.
That said, Lowry wearing down then being so hit or miss from game to game in the postseason is one of the core problems with this team in the spring imho. I did not mind how the team looked with him out and CoJo/Delon at the point post-ASG at all."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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I can see the point for tanking I advocated for it but fuck man I wasted my teenage years watching Bosh - Colangelo Raptors. You think making playoffs and not doing well sucks. How about tanking and feeling like there's no future.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostI can see the point for tanking I advocated for it but fuck man I wasted my teenage years watching Bosh - Colangelo Raptors. You think making playoffs and not doing well sucks. How about tanking and feeling like there's no future.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostBut if tanking is done right, wouldn't that lead to a feeling of a prosperous future?Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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I personally enjoy watching the barrage of 3pt shooting. I appreciate how shooting, a fundamental skill in basketball, is being emphasized again. I hate seeing raw players drafted based on nothing more than "potential", and then getting paid millions to learn how to do basic things like dribble and shoot.
But I'm with you guys on the softness of the game. Moving the 3pt line won't change that, however. Just need refs to raise their threshold of what is foul is. But in today's prima donna world of NBA players, this will likely never happen.
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