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Our lack of a 3/big-wing defender is a serious problem.
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DanH wrote: View PostNone of those posters said he'd be ready from "day one", and a couple explicitly said he'd be growing into the role, or grouped him with Bruno, showing they obviously expect it to take some time.
The way I see it:
From last year we lost (as impact players) : 2Pat, Tucker & Joseph (lets call DC loss a plus);
Who are we replacing them with?
CJ -Check
Norm (a lot more mins & responsibility) -check;
Need 1 more.
Why not 1 of young ones (as you indicated OG or Bruno, or Wright or Poeltl or Siakam?
Last year all of them (except Bruno) received some opportunity. With success our D leaugue team has, for most part I'd say there is enough reason for optimism.
Overall, I'd say our offence was (and remains) in good shape. All the above young players have D as their stonger suit & that is excatly where we will need help come playoff.
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DanH wrote: View PostTo be fair, no one expects him to be. They are looking at what he might be capable of with a solid chunk of the season already under his belt, similar to how Powell had an impact in his first playoffs.
He's certainly more a solution to the issue in future, it's a small hole this year, and I think not all that consequential to the Raps' chances.
OG wasn't even a starter in Indiana (who were terrible last year), and secondly missed a lot of his sophomore season before declaring for the draft. The fact that he even declared is actually a little bit alarming for me and kind of says a lot about his future/career projection in my opinion...
Whereas Powell finished college. So there's that. I will say though that once healthy, OG has a great opportunity -- a lot more than Delon did in his first 2 years. We're pretty weak at the position and if he can get healthy and impress in practice, OG could be the next Siakam and log significant minutes early on.
As for the Raptors' fortunes I agree that OG has very little to do with anything and shouldn't be expecting much -- I was only taking issue with the 'NBA-ready' talk.Last edited by ebrian; Fri Aug 11, 2017, 06:44 AM.your pal,
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We've had James Johnson, Terrence Ross, DeMarre Carroll, PJ Tucker, Landry Fields, Rudy Gay, Patrick Patterson, etc. (all considered to be plus wing defenders), and what difference did any of them make?
Does a capable wing defender who's available, and under a reasonable contract, that's a noticeable improvement over the above guys, even exist? Is Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Harden, Giannis, etc. stopped by anyone?
I mean, who are we really vying for?Last edited by Nilanka; Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:10 AM.
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ebrian wrote: View PostNorman Powell had significantly more experience under his belt than OG Anunoby though, to be fair. I think OG's development could be similar to Delon Wright, who by his own right came out of college with twice as much experience as OG did. Or perhaps similar to that of Powell, if Powell had left college 2 years earlier. I think those last two seasons really made what Powell is today.
OG wasn't even a starter in Indiana (who were terrible last year), and secondly missed a lot of his sophomore season before declaring for the draft. The fact that he even declared is actually a little bit alarming for me and kind of says a lot about his future/career projection in my opinion...
Whereas Powell finished college. So there's that. I will say though that once healthy, OG has a great opportunity -- a lot more than Delon did in his first 2 years. We're pretty weak at the position and if he can get healthy and impress in practice, OG could be the next Siakam and log significant minutes early on.
As for the Raptors' fortunes I agree that OG has very little to do with anything and shouldn't be expecting much -- I was only taking issue with the 'NBA-ready' talk.
At his school when he was injured his school's record plummeted and their coach got fired.
It is a double edge sword because if you leave college you have the chance to be molded more in the NBA vs finishing college you are a bit more of a finished product. He will be fine honestly. He declared before he got injured. When he declared he was the consensus top 10 pick. We have shown we can develop so lets see.
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Alex91 wrote: View PostThe talk about OG reminds me a lot of when MKG came out of school, and people thought he was a jump shot away from being LBJ-like lol
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ebrian wrote: View PostNorman Powell had significantly more experience under his belt than OG Anunoby though, to be fair. I think OG's development could be similar to Delon Wright, who by his own right came out of college with twice as much experience as OG did. Or perhaps similar to that of Powell, if Powell had left college 2 years earlier. I think those last two seasons really made what Powell is today.
OG wasn't even a starter in Indiana (who were terrible last year), and secondly missed a lot of his sophomore season before declaring for the draft. The fact that he even declared is actually a little bit alarming for me and kind of says a lot about his future/career projection in my opinion...
Whereas Powell finished college. So there's that. I will say though that once healthy, OG has a great opportunity -- a lot more than Delon did in his first 2 years. We're pretty weak at the position and if he can get healthy and impress in practice, OG could be the next Siakam and log significant minutes early on.
As for the Raptors' fortunes I agree that OG has very little to do with anything and shouldn't be expecting much -- I was only taking issue with the 'NBA-ready' talk.
He was 4th on the team in MPG despite not getting consistent starts and the team's winning pct% fell off from .625% with him playing all the way down to .444% after he got injured. He was a huge piece for that team and his former coach spoke extremely high of him on draft night.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostWe've had James Johnson, Terrence Ross, DeMarre Carroll, PJ Tucker, Landry Fields, Rudy Gay, Patrick Patterson, etc. (all considered to be plus wing defenders), and what difference did any of them make?
Does a capable wing defender who's available, and under a reasonable contract, that's a noticeable improvement over the above guys, even exist? Is Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Harden, Giannis, etc. stopped by anyone?
I mean, who are we really vying for?
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tDotted wrote: View PostRE: OG in Indiana
He was 4th on the team in MPG despite not getting consistent starts and the team's winning pct% fell off from .625% with him playing all the way down to .444% after he got injured. He was a huge piece for that team and his former coach spoke extremely high of him on draft night.
Nice of Tom Crean to say nice things on draft night. He was fired this season because of how bad the Hoosiers were.your pal,
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Nilanka wrote: View PostWe've had James Johnson, Terrence Ross, DeMarre Carroll, PJ Tucker, Landry Fields, Rudy Gay, Patrick Patterson, etc. (all considered to be plus wing defenders), and what difference did any of them make?
Does a capable wing defender who's available, and under a reasonable contract, that's a noticeable improvement over the above guys, even exist? Is Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Harden, Giannis, etc. stopped by anyone?
I mean, who are we really vying for?
It's whether one would keep us from falling farther back from the pack. The pack being 2nd-tier teams in the east or 3rd-tier teams in the NBA overall.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostThe question isn't whether a good wing defender would push us over the top, imo.
It's whether one would keep us from falling farther back from the pack. The pack being 2nd-tier teams in the east or 3rd-tier teams in the NBA overall.
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