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    Anthony Davis...because he will demand a trade!

    We can dream, right?

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Melo has a no-trade clause, and even if he did agree to come here, it's hard to imagine a worse fit. He's a ball-pounding iso-scorer who takes a lot of mid-range jumpshots... It'd be like pairing DeMar and Rudy all over again.

    And it's doubtful we could get him for JV+filler given that they have Porzingis and Hernangomez.
    Melo is a better version of DeMar in the sense that both players hang their hats on scoring, but Melo has more range, and higher basketball IQ. Demar is younger and hungrier at this point in their respective careers. I'd be fine with one or the other but together seems like a bad fit. I don't think you can maximize both players. If I had to pick one for this season it would be Melo hands down, but DD has youth on his side so is the better choice for the long haul.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Carmelo>Rudy Gay.

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    No shit. I was referring to the play style. We'd just be taking turns iso-ing all over again.

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    I know he has a no-trade clause. I put a disclaimer of us being 1st in the east at the time (or around there) for a reason. I don't see why he'd turn down the chance to join the East's top team and going on a deep playoff run. Toronto isn't exactly that far from New York either and it's still a major market. Plus he'd likely get a chance to go up against LeBron.

    As for on the court, he's another guy who can create and make shots, and he's a massive upgrade on anyone we have at that 3/4 combo forward position. People always want to go back to Rudy Gay, but the main problem with Rudy Gay wasn't his ability as a player it was how he was marketed and branded, and as a result the attitude he had towards playing. BC brought him in as the star of the team and he took it upon himself to try to will the team to victory every game. When he left and joined Sacramento who already had an established star, he was a much better and more efficient player. And Melo is better than him.

    He'd be very useful to have. Like I already said he gives us a 3rd guy who can create his own shot, and he's someone who does well in pressure situations. Melo is also an excellent spot up player -- 94th percentile last year, scoring 1.23 points per possession in his spot up opportunities (most of which were 3s, you can tell from the 1.5 FGM per game and 4.3 point scored). That's something we could really utilize to help open up the floor, especially in those lineups with Ibaka at the 5. On top of that, though he wasn't very effective at this last year (no good pick and roll partner) I think we could run some sets with him as a pick and pop partner for DeMar or Kyle that'd be very effective. He's also still very effective in clutch situations, and could give us a bigger version of what Paul Pierce did for the Wizards the year they swept us or Brooklyn the year prior.
    Melo was 65th out of 70 small forwards in terms of DRPM last season. He's 33 with knee problems. He's not a great facilitator and the ball sticks with him. If you're getting him for spot up shooting there are cheaper options.

    Having one sketchy defense, long-jumper volume scorer is fine. Having two is asking for trouble.

    But hey if we exhaust all other options and the Knicks magically agree to do the deal for JV when they already have two centers, why the hell not.

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    I guess we can take Melo off the list. Praying everyday for LMA/Boogie.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    No shit. I was referring to the play style. We'd just be taking turns iso-ing all over again.



    Melo was 65th out of 70 small forwards in terms of DRPM last season. He's 33 with knee problems. He's not a great facilitator and the ball sticks with him. If you're getting him for spot up shooting there are cheaper options.

    Having one sketchy defense, long-jumper volume scorer is fine. Having two is asking for trouble.

    But hey if we exhaust all other options and the Knicks magically agree to do the deal for JV
    when they already have two centers, why the hell not.
    Welp they just did it for Kanter.

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    Quote Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Welp they just did it for Kanter.
    And McDermott. So it would have been a JV-Powell-pick deal equivalent. Personally, I would not trade that package for Melo.

    But yeah, Knicks gonna Knicks.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I guess we can take Melo off the list. Praying everyday for LMA/Boogie.

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    Did anybody want Melo? I personally also don't want Aldridge. He's an aging malcontent who really hasn't made the Spurs better since getting there. I don't just want to add big names. People should not confuse "all champions have star players" with "every star players help make a champion"
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Did anybody want Melo? I personally also don't want Aldridge. He's an aging malcontent who really hasn't made the Spurs better since getting there. I don't just want to add big names. People should not confuse "all champions have star players" with "every star players help make a champion"
    Didn't want Melo, don't want Aldridge.

    I would love for Boogie to become available but I highly doubt it happens. I think the Pels will surprise to the upside.

    At this point my main hope is for Marc Gasol, given everyone else has moved teams. I don't think there's really another top 50 player who will likely be on the block except Eric Bledsoe, who could be useful but doesn't fill our positional needs.

    Beyond that I think we're going to need to target under-the-radar forwards who could break out in the right situation. If the Suns find Bender superfluous he might be worth a shot. I like Chriss better but so do they.

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    ^ Also in the under-the-radar category, I could see Jabari Parker becoming available. Could be an interesting fit with the Raps in a big SF, small-ball PF role. Not great foot-speed or interested too much in playing defense.

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    ^ Also in the under-the-radar category, I could see Jabari Parker becoming available. Could be an interesting fit with the Raps in a big SF, small-ball PF role. Not great foot-speed or interested too much in playing defense.
    I highly doubt MIL trades Parker to a conference rival that is fighting for THE same Playoff spots and fresh off of being eliminated BY the Raptors lol...not a chance in hell they allow someone who they're trying to get through to get better/tougher to beat.

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    LMA gets a bad rap but, the dude can really play. There is a reason why so many including the raps were after him a couple summers ago.

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    Quote JamesNaismith wrote: View Post
    I highly doubt MIL trades Parker to a conference rival that is fighting for THE same Playoff spots and fresh off of being eliminated BY the Raptors lol...not a chance in hell they allow someone who they're trying to get through to get better/tougher to beat.
    Yeah, I could never envision the Cavs trading Kyrie to the Celtics - a division rival that's trying to get back to the ECF to take them down. Not a chance. Oh wait....

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    LMA gets a bad rap but, the dude can really play. There is a reason why so many including the raps were after him a couple summers ago.

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    Because they thought they were getting Blazers LMA. He has been really underwhelming as a Spur

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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Because they thought they were getting Blazers LMA. He has been really underwhelming as a Spur
    He made a bad choice in free agency. That's doesn't mean he is a bad player. A team like the Raptors shouldn't act like thier too good for LMA. Raps lack talent and need more of it if they want a chance against the Cavs. The other teams in the east they can beat as currently constructed.

    It’s also worth mentioning that Aldridge generally doesn’t receive enough credit for playing a major role on the NBA’s best defense. He allowed opponents to shoot just 49.3% shooting from within six feet last season, a rim-protection rate that compares favorably to the likes of Green and Rudy Gobert.
    https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/12/to...an-joel-embiid

    And we already know he can score the ball. LMA would automatically be the 3rd best player on this team and their best playoff performer

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    He made a bad choice in free agency. That's doesn't mean he is a bad player. A team like the Raptors shouldn't act like thier too good for LMA. Raps lack talent and need more of it if they want a chance against the Cavs. The other teams in the east they can beat as currently constructed.

    It’s also worth mentioning that Aldridge generally doesn’t receive enough credit for playing a major role on the NBA’s best defense. He allowed opponents to shoot just 49.3% shooting from within six feet last season, a rim-protection rate that compares favorably to the likes of Green and Rudy Gobert.
    https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/12/to...an-joel-embiid

    And we already know he can score the ball. LMA would automatically be the 3rd best player on this team and their best playoff performer

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    Lots of bold claims in this post lol

    How many of his playoff games did you watch last year?
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    LMA gets a bad rap but, the dude can really play. There is a reason why so many including the raps were after him a couple summers ago.

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    He's in the same boat as Melo for me. Both guys shoot a ton of mid-range jumpers and aren't a great fit.

    But just like Melo, if we don't have any other options, we might as well go for it. If JV's going to sit out 4th quarters again I'd rather have a piece that Casey will play. I mean, I'd rather fire Casey first but that ain't happening.

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    Lots of bold claims in this post lol

    How many of his playoff games did you watch last year?
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    He's in the same boat as Melo for me. Both guys shoot a ton of mid-range jumpers and aren't a great fit.

    But just like Melo, if we don't have any other options, we might as well go for it. If JV's going to sit out 4th quarters again I'd rather have a piece that Casey will play. I mean, I'd rather fire Casey first but that ain't happening.
    I don't think he'd play both Aldridge and Ibaka to close games. Maybe slightly more than he would JV - but not much. Ibaka would end up getting the call. I'll play office-chair psychologist and predict this would tick off Aldridge.
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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    He's in the same boat as Melo for me. Both guys shoot a ton of mid-range jumpers and aren't a great fit.

    But just like Melo, if we don't have any other options, we might as well go for it. If JV's going to sit out 4th quarters again I'd rather have a piece that Casey will play. I mean, I'd rather fire Casey first but that ain't happening.
    Also LMA is way better tha JV on both sides.

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    And McDermott. So it would have been a JV-Powell-pick deal equivalent. Personally, I would not trade that package for Melo.

    But yeah, Knicks gonna Knicks.
    I'd say JV-Powell has way more value than Kanter-Buckets. It'd be interesting to know what offer it would have taken from us. Although I read somewhere that the Knicks didn't want to trade Melo to someone in the East. Which means they certainly wouldn't have traded him to a team in the Atlantic.
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