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Thread: Game 13: Toronto Raptors at Houston Rockets - Tues Nov 14, 8pm et - TSN 1/4/5

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    I held my breathe when he fell. Was about to send a hand written letter to Silver about banning baseline cameramen.
    Just tell him that space could be used for valuable advertising revenue and the cameramen will be gone tomorrow.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I don't know, JV played pretty great, especially when you consider how everyone assumed he'd struggle in this game. Poeltl was good too, though he didn't start that great but as he loosened up he got better.

    Ibaka was rough for a lot of this game, but at least made a few key plays. Siakam was not really a factor.

    Bebe thankfully got benched and hopefully stays there.

    I think they could have easily played a bit less small ball and had JV or Poeltl out there longer.

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    This.

    I thought JV looked pretty good for long spurts but fans have to watch how he (and Poeltl) get zero help defensively when he makes the first rebound or tip. I lost cont how many times he was out-manned on the DEFENSIVE glass and that's inexcusable.

    In prior years the last guy(s) on the bench got exclusively garbage time. That's what should be there for Bebe and a bit for FVV
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    That defence OG was playing on Harden in the 4th was unreal. Props to Casey for trusting in the rookie to step up and play big minutes down the stretch though it shouldn't have been a difficult decision with the way he was playing. The kid has no fear.
    And Casey had Siakam guard him the full length of the floor. Siakam! It's great to see his game developing, his game isn't going to be limited to the Psycho T hustle guy role. Keep working on those 3's and the ability to guard multiple positions.

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    Quote G__Deane wrote: View Post
    This.

    I thought JV looked pretty good for long spurts but fans have to watch how he (and Poeltl) get zero help defensively when he makes the first rebound or tip. I lost cont how many times he was out-manned on the DEFENSIVE glass and that's inexcusable...
    Happens pretty regularly that JV leaves his man to help when somebody loses their check, and nobody rotates to box out JV's guy. I get tired of watching it.

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    Others are noticing....

    Two seasons ago, Toronto was 19th in three-pointers attempted and 29th in assists per game. Last season, the Raptors were 22nd and 30th, respectively.

    This season, though, the Raptors are eighth and 11th, respectively, and performances such as Tuesday night’s 129-113 win over the Rockets in Houston – with 30 three pointers attempted and 28 assists on 41 made baskets – are becoming the norm.

    “Anything that [can be] beneficial is always worth trying,” DeRozan said. “If it’s something that’s better in the long run, without a doubt. And then still, within that, [we’re] using the same things that have made us successful over the years, as well.”

    The early returns are encouraging. Toronto is third in offensive efficiency, averaging 109 points per 100 possessions per NBA.com, indicating that pivoting away from so much reliance on Lowry and DeRozan won’t mean a slip in scoring.

    But what has slipped, at least early on, is Lowry’s production. He’s taking fewer shots, not shooting as well and most notably, taking fewer than half as many free throws as he did the past two years (although the latter could be attributed to the NBA’s crackdown on exaggerated drawing of shooting fouls, a skill Lowry has mastered).

    Tuesday, though, Lowry got to the line 10 times – a season-high – and matched his season highs with 19 points and 10 assists. If Toronto’s plan is going to bear fruit in the playoffs, the Raptors still need the Lowry of the past few seasons.

    But Lowry and the Raptors have five months to get it right.

    “It’s for the playoffs,” Lowry said. “So we have to get to the playoffs and then we’ll see in the playoffs if it’s working. That’s what we changed it for, so that’s when we’ll really figure out if it is.”
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    Quote G__Deane wrote: View Post
    This.

    I thought JV looked pretty good for long spurts but fans have to watch how he (and Poeltl) get zero help defensively when he makes the first rebound or tip. I lost cont how many times he was out-manned on the DEFENSIVE glass and that's inexcusable.

    In prior years the last guy(s) on the bench got exclusively garbage time. That's what should be there for Bebe and a bit for FVV
    I didn't see quite the same JV as a lot of you guys did. I thought he had a bad first half, pretty good 2nd half which I guess is ok against houston. But I know there's another level jv plays at that he's not been at much this year. Which is actually encouraging, considering you could say the same for serge and lowry, 3 of our top 4 or 5 most important players, and we're still 8-5
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    I gotta give props to the way our bench has been playing - they bring the intensity, they defend tenaciously, and they know how to play as a unit. This is not the first time they've come in and actually broke a game open as a result, and that's a fantastic thing to see - especially since it seems to give the starters a lift as well.

    On top of that, based on the age/experience level of our bench, that there is a very real likelihood of improvement over the course of the season. Once the starters get comfortable again (provided they get comfortable with the year's offence rather than reverting to last year's, of course) then we should be steamrolling all but the top 5 teams in the league.
    The bench has been good, but they've also had struggles, especially later in games. In the 2nd half they had a rougher stretch where they actually gave up some of the lead. And I've had a long week already and I'm trying to repress it, but I think I remember them similarly having a harder time in the 2nd half against Boston.

    I think teams are getting caught off guard by their energy on D early in the game, and the unit can feed off the D to get some better O. And this is why we are all getting a little nervous about these 5-man bench units with FVV, because teams seem to be adjusting, if not early then by the 2nd half, and are more careful about giving up turnovers while trying to make that unit play in the halfcourt without a go-to player. I think most of us agree if the bench is going to continue to be a big positive all year, we're going to have to stagger in Kyle and DeMar more to give a higher level offensive threat to that unit and bench FVV.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Washington Post with a feature on the Raptors offense culture reset? That's pretty high profile. Fake news?

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like Lowry's a tad skeptical of the new approach.

    “It’s for the playoffs,” Lowry said. “So we have to get to the playoffs and then we’ll see in the playoffs if it’s working. That’s what we changed it for, so that’s when we’ll really figure out if it is.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like Lowry's a tad skeptical of the new approach.
    He seemed to have sacrificed his game the most out of everyone on the team. So if he's skeptical I could see why.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like Lowry's a tad skeptical of the new approach.
    Well I think Lowry has been skeptical of pretty much anything that involves Casey's coaching, basically since the Washington series.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like Lowry's a tad skeptical of the new approach.
    Maybe jinx conscious? I am glad they put on a good off. show...but the playoffs as we know is where defense gets ratcheted up. Besides, we are not yet at the qtr. pole. I shall start getting excited when Jan/18 comes around and they have gone head to head with this style against more of the better teams. That game against the Celtics was atrocious eg.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it sounds like Lowry's a tad skeptical of the new approach.
    Yeah I didn't read that initially, because it echoes my thoughts on it - I'm not convinced that the "culture reset" will produce better playoff results either through abandonment of it when the chips get down or it just being equally as effective as their current offense.

    That said, you'd expect the players to at least pretend to the media and be like "Yes, this will definitely get us the results we're looking for" and show some confidence in it. So yeah, you're right he sounds skeptical.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well I think Lowry has been skeptical of pretty much anything that involves Casey's coaching, basically since the Washington series.
    I think it's way, way deeper than that. See Houston: 'Either coach (who happens to be one of the greatest basketball players of all time) goes, or I (who happens to be a career backup who's never done f-all in the league and can't stay on the floor due to injuries) go.'
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well I think Lowry has been skeptical of pretty much anything that involves Casey's coaching, basically since the Washington series.
    From all accounts, Lowry's been pretty skeptical of pretty much anybody with authority since childhood. That's just who he is, I think he fancies himself the smartest guy in the room more often than not. There's pros and cons to that personality, and it's been the catalyst to bringing our franchise to this point for better or worse
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well I think Lowry has been skeptical of pretty much anything that involves Casey's coaching, basically since the Washington series.
    There's undeniable reported evidence that Lowry and Case aren't on the same page and haven't been for at least a year+
    "Culture change" - ball movement/finding the open man/getting more players involved than just Kyle and DeMar iso plays isn't the same as jacking up poor percentage threes all game. This is a work in progress.

    I miss Lowry bulldogging his way to the tin and putting that ball high up and in off glass and always landing on his azz; he seemed to never miss those when he was determined to get his. But I DO want the ball movement and uptempo play with more players involved than just 2. Kyle's points will suffer but his game will elevate others. He's not exactly having to play for a contract now.
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Washington Post with a feature on the Raptors offense culture reset? That's pretty high profile. Fake news?
    Tim Bontemps actually does a great job covering the nba and he tends to have a balanced view of the raptors.

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