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    Default Could the Raptors Become the Northern Spurs?

    They could....with a proviso. The current philosophy favouring development, continuity and culture has produced 4 consecutive playoff teams (and this year seems certain). While I don't think anyone sees Casey as a Popovich I feel that he is competent as a manager of men if somewhat less so as a manager of games. I could see a future where he becomes GM and Stackhouse (or Lowry!?) takes over as coach.

    I really like this approach. It's great having a consistently good team. I even like our broadcast crew far more than most in the NBA. But the dilemma is that this approach may NOT produce a championship. One could compare this team to the early 2000's Pistons who won two...but that was not the era of the "super team". The current Raptors might have a shot if you could freeze Kyle and Demar for a few years and let the bench mob grow up a bit.

    The problems for Toronto are many. The weak Canadian dollar, the lack of exposure on American television and the generally perceived "uncoolness" of Canada to many American players make it an unattractive free agent destination. Toronto will always be in the playoffs with the current approach so will never "tank" and get into the lottery. So only very astute or lucky drafting or trades could land the superstar who is probably needed. I personally still prefer this approach and will simply hope for a miracle.

    This should perhaps be another post but I HATE the lottery. I feel that perhaps the four finalists every year should draft last but all the rest should have an equal chance. That would make tanking superfluous. Perhaps the teams that drafted in the bottom half one year would automatically draft in the first half the following year. Teams should be rewarded for competence, not punished. But I've been hearing a lot of self congratulatory talk on broadcasts of late of the wonderful "parity" in the league. Well.....no. Only one team can really win this year.....and in the east there are maybe a few than can push Cleveland to 6 or 7 games. I'd love to see teams with strong management have a chance to win; not teams that attract disgruntled superstars looking for rings. If Lebron ends up going to Philly I might have to stop watching. I

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    All we are is a new version of the Hawks not the Spurs.

    The limiting reagent in being the Spurs was Tim Duncan. It's not JUST a culture thing, you have to have that transcendent talent, otherwise you're what Atlanta was for 3-4 years a few years back with Teague, Korver, Millsap, Horford.

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    They are more like the Mavs in my opinion.

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    Quote Mitch P wrote: View Post
    The current philosophy favouring development, continuity and culture has produced 4 consecutive playoff teams (and this year seems certain).

    I really like this approach. It's great having a consistently good team. But the dilemma is that this approach may NOT produce a championship.
    First, I'd say that the "current philosophy favouring development, continuity and culture" started this year so hasn't produced 4 consecutive playoff teams. Prior seasons where predominantly iso/hero ball and resulted in competitive seasons and then playoffs with limited success.

    But that success has been limited primarily because we live in an era of a super player and super teams .... we (like most other teams not named GSW) would have to be lucky AND good.

    I find a zen acknowledgement that this team will be fun and competitive and win more than their fair of games while not overly worrying whether they are likely to win it all at this point in time.

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    Quote G__Deane wrote: View Post
    First, I'd say that the "current philosophy favouring development, continuity and culture" started this year so hasn't produced 4 consecutive playoff teams. Prior seasons where predominantly iso/hero ball and resulted in competitive seasons and then playoffs with limited success.

    But that success has been limited primarily because we live in an era of a super player and super teams .... we (like most other teams not named GSW) would have to be lucky AND good.

    I find a zen acknowledgement that this team will be fun and competitive and win more than their fair of games while not overly worrying whether they are likely to win it all at this point in time.
    That philosophy clearly started a few years back. After the Lowry trade got axed and the team became good MU kept rolling with the same core we have now. The only thin thats really changed this season is a greater emphasis on ball movement.

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    Its hard to duplicate the Spurs success but Masai is doing a good job with what he's got. Spurs however are still better in player development, still have the greatest coach and still have a star player in Kawahi. Those things are what makes this franchise special.

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    Our coaching system is fine because there isn't one person only calling the shots its an all in one system... I think we could eb poised to be better than most hting

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    Quote G__Deane wrote: View Post
    First, I'd say that the "current philosophy favouring development, continuity and culture" started this year so hasn't produced 4 consecutive playoff teams. Prior seasons where predominantly iso/hero ball and resulted in competitive seasons and then playoffs with limited success.

    But that success has been limited primarily because we live in an era of a super player and super teams .... we (like most other teams not named GSW) would have to be lucky AND good.

    I find a zen acknowledgement that this team will be fun and competitive and win more than their fair of games while not overly worrying whether they are likely to win it all at this point in time.
    It could be argued that the "continuity" part was the decision to stick with the Casey/Lowry/DeRozan core all this time. Going on 5 years now.

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    Raptors are consistently a 50 win team without any superstars on their roster. Not a lot of teams can say the same. The system clearly works, now we just need to get that superstar to see how far we can go. At some point they will have to invest more heavily into moving up in the draft because they haven't had much luck in free agency.

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    Do we have a Tim Duncan type of player?

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Do we have a Tim Duncan type of player?
    Siakam or Jakob

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Siakam or Jakob
    I was thinking JV.

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    All we need is 3-4 HOF players, one of which was the greatest PF of all time, the GOAT coach n this would be an accurate comparison.

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    It's hard to copy success in the NBA since most champions had a super star (or two) on them. Pistons '05 is probably the closest but even they had a great roster.

    But I understand the connection to the Spurs. The Spurs are one of the only teams that use their farm system to produce talent. Without the ability to attract star talent like the Spurs (with LMA being the exception).. this is not a bad way to do things.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Siakam or Jakob
    TIM Duncan, not Dunk'n Donuts
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    It's hard to copy success in the NBA since most champions had a super star (or two) on them. Pistons '05 is probably the closest but even they had a great roster.

    But I understand the connection to the Spurs. The Spurs are one of the only teams that use their farm system to produce talent. Without the ability to attract star talent like the Spurs (with LMA being the exception).. this is not a bad way to do things.
    Spurs didn't become a free agent destination without drafting Duncan and Kawhi. Every team, basically without exception, doesn't attract talent without first having talent that was forced to play on the team lol. LA, New York slight exceptions because they're the glamour cities of North America but even that is more said that actually true
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    Spurs are a once in a lifetime team -- no team has kept up that level of success for nearly 30 years by being either 1st or 2nd in their division since 1989 (except 96-97 when they were last but netted them Duncan the next year)... not the Bulls... not the Knicks... not the Lakers... not the 76ers... not the Celtics... nobody. Not even in sports... no team in sports has been able to do that for nearly 30 years.

    Once Pops leaves, that team will be average again.
    Last edited by sanyo; Tue Dec 5th, 2017 at 10:38 PM.

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    Quote sanyo wrote: View Post
    Spurs are a once in a lifetime team -- no team has kept up that level of success for nearly 30 years by being either 1st or 2nd in their division since 1989 (except 96-97 when they were last but netted them Duncan the next year)... not the Bulls... not the Knicks... not the Lakers... not the 76ers... not the Celtics... nobody. Not even in sports... no team in sports has been able to do that for nearly 30 years.

    Once Pops leaves, that team will be average again.
    It's pretty crazy to see how remarkable the Spurs have been. Red Wings in the NHL and Patriots in the NFL come the closest, but even those franchises don't sniff what the Spurs have done.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    That philosophy clearly started a few years back. After the Lowry trade got axed and the team became good MU kept rolling with the same core we have now. The only thin thats really changed this season is a greater emphasis on ball movement.
    The value of drafting and developing players goes back to when Ujiri started in Toronto. MLSE did a massive review of their sports teams when Leiweke arrived that involved all sorts of consultants and both the Leafs and Raps have, in one way or another, stuck with the basic approach of what came out of those consultations. The Raps just got better quicker cause of Derozan and Lowry, whereas, the Leafs didn't have that talent.

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    My point was that the Raptors are clearly adopting the continuity/development approach which in the basketball world most resembles the Spurs. Getting over the top to win a championship likely will require somehow acquiring a great player, or have a really good player having a career year. Popovich has said in multiple interviews that his success and reputation were entirely based on having Tim Duncan arrive just after he did. That of course is only half true but the point is taken. Golden State however were very, very lucky in having 3 draft picks (Curry, Thompson and Green) turn out to be much better than expected. The phenomenon of the ring seeking superstar is relatively new but seems to be here for good. So Toronto would have to appear very close to winning and be otherwise attractive to pull a big star. The city itself should be a draw; one of the largest in North America, the most cosmopolitan outside of NYC and probably the least racist in the league. The main issue is the lack of media coverage outside of Toronto. Even here is western Canada it is difficult to get even one screen showing Raptors in a sports bar if hockey is on. I hope the ownership is willing to go into luxury tax and NOT have to give up any more draft choices. I can't see any way this team will be in a lottery for a long time to come; even based on what young players they have now. I'm really enjoying this team and this approach. Like others I have had my nights yelling and cursing at DC for starting Scola, Carroll etc and allowing the Demar iso ball. But so far this year the "culture change" seems for real. Stephens will be everyone's coach of the year but I think Casey is right up there (so far) is the running.

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