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    Quote SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    I was thinking of starting a thread called "Everything This Team is Special" or the "Official We're Good Thread", but this one will suffice.
    Don't jinx it, man. lol. Jinx threads are the rage this season on this board.

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    The "Raptors play an antiquated style" and "will it keep working in the playoffs" was the correct narrative, but some fans covered their ears until Masai finally said 'uncle' and admitted it.

    Here are just a few articles. I don't see how any objective Raptor fan can look at these as not being insightful, especially in hindsight. I mean, I can't remember every single article and the older ones are hard to Google, but unless you take offense to the slightest indirect criticism (like Dwane Casey often does), then the team is getting their fair share of praise.


    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/i...n-nba-history/

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...s-master-plan/

    https://www.sbnation.com/2014/11/13/...ern-conference
    Those articles you posted seemed to agree with my position. 2 kinda trashed our D. Only one really pointed out the warning signs of our ex-style of play, but also pointing out one reason we didn't pass much was because we weren't good passers (where did I hear that before?)
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    Those articles you posted seemed to agree with my position. 2 kinda trashed our D. Only one really pointed out the warning signs of our ex-style of play, but also pointing out one reason we didn't pass much was because we weren't good passers (where did I hear that before?)
    But there is nothing wrong with trashing our D if/when it is valid. Or trashing anything else. I guess some people only want to read 100% puff pieces, which is cool.


    2016: Here's a great puff piece by NBA.com no less........ which was utterly wrong. But I'm sure a lot of Raptor fans ate it up.

    Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan and coach Dwane Casey have Toronto looking like a legitimate threat to Cleveland

    http://www.nba.com/2016/news/feature...ll-star-break/


    2017: And another

    With New Pieces, Toronto Raptors Show Why They're East's Biggest Threat to Cavs
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...land-cavaliers

    There's lots of this stuff out there.
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    Tom Ziller ain't waiting for the playoffs to agree with me. I bolded the pertinent statement in the quote.

    As I wrote in my updated NBA playoff projections on Wednesday, the Raptors are eminently competent and a true joy to watch. On closer inspection, they are even more than competent. They are freaking good. This is the best Raptors team ever, better than the 56-win version from 2015-16 and last season's similar edition.
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    lol.

    Credit too should go to Dwane Casey, who has embraced a style that is not his own.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    But there is nothing wrong with trashing our D if/when it is valid. Or trashing anything else. I guess some people only want to read 100% puff pieces, which is cool.


    2016: Here's a great puff piece by NBA.com no less........ which was utterly wrong. But I'm sure a lot of Raptor fans ate it up.

    Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan and coach Dwane Casey have Toronto looking like a legitimate threat to Cleveland

    http://www.nba.com/2016/news/feature...ll-star-break/


    2017: And another

    With New Pieces, Toronto Raptors Show Why They're East's Biggest Threat to Cavs
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...land-cavaliers

    There's lots of this stuff out there.
    Maybe we're arguing and agreeing at the same time. Yeah, too many people prefered the puff pieces.

    The best articles are those by writers who both know basketball and are actually objective (Lowe, Pelton, etc), even if they say stuff we may not want to hear. Vantage Sports a few years ago was great.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Maybe we're arguing and agreeing at the same time. Yeah, too many people prefered the puff pieces.

    The best articles are those by writers who both know basketball and are actually objective (Lowe, Pelton, etc), even if they say stuff we may not want to hear. Vantage Sports a few years ago was great.
    lol. Yeah, it seems like I'm always debating you and yet agreeing with you. That means both of us were right (and wrong).

    My original point was that complimentary articles about the franchise didn't just start this season and that fans don't pay as much attention to the nice words, but more so when they feel we've been slighted. Bill Simmons was especially adept at tweaking the Raptor fan base in particular, for troll clicks.

    Articles, bloggers etc... have been steadily documenting the Raps rise since that unexpected turnaround season in 2014. Sure, some of those articles highlighted a few caveats, but a lot of those criticisms turned out to be totally justified.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Maybe we're arguing and agreeing at the same time. Yeah, too many people prefered the puff pieces.

    The best articles are those by writers who both know basketball and are actually objective (Lowe, Pelton, etc), even if they say stuff we may not want to hear. Vantage Sports a few years ago was great.
    But Zach Lowe has written and talked a ton about us the past few years.

    This article included the fundamental question about our core:

    If the Raptors lose early in the playoffs again, they will face a simple question: Is this core good enough that improvement from the players on hand is all they need to approach Cleveland's level?
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ng-talent-next

    This one was more critical (and more after the fact):

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...s-nba-playoffs

    If a team is winning, writers almost always focus on positives during the season, lest they risk backlash or lose access.

    It's only during brief playoff post-mortems where they can show how the regular season formula failed, because those factors are supported by recent concrete evidence.

    We on the forums have been saying the same things for years because we don't have those issues.

    Anyway it's great to see some laudatory articles. Hope we can keep this momentum going strong all the way through into the playoffs.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    But Zach Lowe has written and talked a ton about us the past few years.

    This article included the fundamental question about our core:



    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ng-talent-next

    This one was more critical (and more after the fact):

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...s-nba-playoffs

    If a team is winning, writers almost always focus on positives during the season, lest they risk backlash or lose access.

    It's only during brief playoff post-mortems where they can show how the regular season formula failed, because those factors are supported by recent concrete evidence.

    We on the forums have been saying the same things for years because we don't have those issues.

    Anyway it's great to see some laudatory articles. Hope we can keep this momentum going strong all the way through into the playoffs.
    The 1st article was skeptical much more than critical. The postmortem definitely critical. And that fundamental question Lowe asked, well even with the wholesale changes in our offence, still has to be answered. My opinion is that our offence can't beat Clevelands offence. The big question will be our defence. That's what will make or break us.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Don't jinx it, man. lol. Jinx threads are the rage this season on this board.
    We're really good though.

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    Imagine how good the bench unit will be when Pascal finally figures out the three

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    Very fair comments from the Countdown crew - https://youtu.be/2JzNWBo15xM

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    The Lowe Post. Zach's with his in-laws in Toronto, I'm guessing. Just about to start this up.

    Talkin' Toronto
    Zach talks to Eric Koreen of The Athletic and Bruce Arthur of the Toronto Star about all things Raptors, the Eastern Conference and more.
    http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=21893856
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    Shtuff about Ush. The bold sentence is for you chicken littles of early season losses

    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/1...e-east-january

    The onus, as ever, falls on DeRozan, far and away the most tenured Raptor in franchise history. From the bleak years of mediocrity through these high times for the franchise, DeRozan has served as an apt one-size-fits-all vector for the team’s identity. His archaic style of play was the refinery that kept the dinosaur-pun wing of the basketball media-industrial complex in business. His outright refusal over the past three seasons to shoot the 3-ball, even in postseason do-or-die situations, signaled that the team’s overall dynamic could not change until he did. It looks like he has. The question of whether these Raptors are legit might be too obtuse to answer in any meaningful way —the paradox will keep the team in its bind for the next four months. The loss against the surging Thunder doesn’t help. But if the regular season for Toronto is simply a process of adapting to a different style of play, both the progress and results appear to be worth buying stock in.

    If you’re still skeptical, wait a month. Should trends hold, we’ll learn a lot about where this team stands by then.
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    https://www.si.com/nba/2017/12/30/op...tons-grizzlies

    Sports Illustrated just compared us to the Grizzlies of a few years ago, so I guess the "We are Mike Conley" wasn't too far off. Haha

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    That SI article comparison to Memphis is well done. I'd say there are some differences:

    --obviously the raps play in the east. If Steph curry got hurt in 2016 the Grizzlies likely wouldn't be the favourite to go to the finals. ( Thunder, Spurs, Clips etc) If Lebron goes down there isn't a clear favourite but the raps are right there. I'd suggest the Raps path to the finals has fewer teams in the way than Memphis in 15-16.

    --Raps have more young pieces. OG, Delon, Siakim, Powell make me feel more warm and fuzzy than Memphis's youth.

    --The Raps are so deep they have assets to use in a potential trade to keep the good times rolling. The Lowe Post podcast this week with Koreen and Arthur spent some time on this and I think it's really interesting. What does JV, Norm, Siakim and a pick get you if a star demands a trade? How the tear down / transition of this Raps team happens is very very fascinating. I agree we're not the 04 Pistons but does Masai have the assets to move on from this core without tearing it down? This summer could be either the most boring (no FA and no picks) or the most exciting in memory.

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    Another one leading up to tonight's game. Great title

    https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/11/1...us-shadow-team

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